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Posted on 02-23-05 3:13
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The topic of republic can be an acceptable topic for debate. But Nepal's life and death struggle is to inflict mortal blow to the Maoist terror. Anybody what talks about ending the monarchy NOW wants to replace the democracy with the totaliatarianism of the MaOIST. BEWARE, MAOISTS ARE OUT TO DESTROY NEPAL.
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Posted on 02-23-05 11:33
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Maoists weapon of choice is violence and terrorism. They are bunch of criminals who will one day surpass POLPOT in brutality and cruelity. Sometimes, people take up arms against when all the peaceful avenues are denied. The 1990 constituion guarantess the right to change Nepal peacefully, although the men drafting constitution were no Jefferson. There is much that needs to be done to change Nepal for it to become a just and human society. The Maoist terror will only ruin Nepal. Even if you call it revolution, the propelling force behind it is inhuman violence and terror. If china has to discard Maoism, why do you embrace it? BABURAM AND PRACHANDE ARE FANATICS WHO One day will FALL UNDER GUILLOTINE.
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Posted on 02-24-05 11:41
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Hark bhadhur dude American struggle for independence from the British rule from 1756-1783 were far more violent than that of the present Maoist war. If the same standards as you have mentioned were to apply to George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and bunch of other American revolutionary heroes . They all are terrorists because these guys took arms against the British colonial rulers and greatly spread terror amongst the supporters of British colonial rulers (or loyalists) forcing them to flee the United States. The Patroits as they were known burnt down the homes, barns, cattle and other properties as well as executed large number of loyalists in the course of more than 2 decades of war. The large number of terrified loyalist men, women and their families fled north (to other British territories still firmly under British rule) after the American Revolution began in late 1750s which of course become to be known as the largest exodus of population ever in the history of North America. This unprecendented exodus of loyalist men, women and their families to north (which continued to remain under the British Colonial rule) which eventually led to the formation of new country that we today know as Canada. By the way, the killing of Prachanda and Baburam will not halt the Maoist war because the killing of Prachanda, Baburan and bunch of Maoist leaders will not put sudden end to the very wide social, political, economic and cultural disparities and unequalities which are centuries old in the context of Nepali society and new Prachands and new Baburams will continue to rise from the harsh social structures of Nepali society.
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Posted on 02-24-05 12:06
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Nice, you wrote, "In reality or practical real world: If anybody has brain and guts but they become victim of social suppressed and desperate by other means for long time, those people definitely stand up and do struggle against abuser people, party or government. That action of struggle is called Revolution and who do revolution is called revolutionaries, but not terrorist or terrorism." Your definition of revolutionists is right but it does not fit the Maoists at all. Like you said, "[they] stand up and do struggle against abuser people, party or government", we have so far seen that the only people Maoists have risen againts are the same people they claim to be fighting for. They have killed thousands of innocent people, have forcefully drafted young teenagers to use them as their fighter who get killed fighting againts Military. But people like, Girija, Makune, and all other big political leaders and even the King were untouched. So if they are really fighting againts the abusers, why are these people still alive or unpunished whereas thousands of innocents are dead? Why are Maoists feared more than admired? So by your own definition, Maoists are not revolutionist, but terrorists.
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Bhrasta_Netaa
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Posted on 02-24-05 12:21
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gham_pani dude Axactly the same situation was prevelant in the war of American revolution. American Revolutionaries drafted young teens, killed innocent loyalists and yet couldnt touch the British High command.
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hark_bahadur
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Posted on 02-24-05 12:55
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A fitting comparison is between Maoist terrorist and Polpot and Shining path, not between American independence WAR and the Maoist terror. How dare you usurp the legacy of American war of independence? People of American colony born and raised in a far away country separated by the Atlantic had their own idea about the self government. King George?s policy of taxation produced bitter hostility in the American colony. They were naturally not loyal to the British crown. There were some loyalists who either chose to emigrate to Canada or remained in the US. What a twisted logic to compare the history of America?s early days in its quest for nationhood to the terror of the Maoist thugs. How much do you know about the American history? The war between the British and American colonialist was much more chivalrous. The Maoist thugs take delight in inhuman terrorism and brutality. The Founding Fathers of America?s early days were all civilized men. They were educated, refined unlike the ignorant Fanatics BabuRAM and Prachandra. These BabuRAM and Prachanda are savagae barbarian who can never be at ease in Civilization. You claim that without BabuRAM and Prachande, the uprising will continue. If the army of Nepal bayonets these two murderous criminals to slow and painful death (which they deserve), the whole terroristic game plane of the Maoist will collapse in 3 months. See no further than PERU. You abduct the innocent teenager to fight your dirty war and YOU CALL THAT AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE. (To learn more about American history, See Howard ZINN?S People history of the United States.)
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Bhrasta_Netaa
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Posted on 02-24-05 4:52
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Hark dude The social and economic context is not very different from the American Revolution. The ones who were born in the British colony of North America were certainly not happy at being totally excluded from the decision making process of their own birth place, in their social and economic fronts while some administrators from far away land (Britain) directed their political ecomonic and social future. When protested, the Patroits were dealt with force by the colonial regime. "Being taxed without representation" became the strongest reason for the Patriots to go for war with the colonial rule which naturally led to bigger ambition of independence from the colonial rule. When the Patroits went to war with the colonial regime naturally the Patroits did hate as much as they can towards the men and women who were still loyal to the colonial regime. The largest exodus of human population in the history of North America towards the 13 colonies of Canada itself is a testament to the fear and terror spread by the Patroits amongst Loyalists. The fleeing Loyalists wer so large in number that a seperate province had to be created in the upper Great Lakes region of Canada which after 1791 is known as Ontario. French language and the French-Canadians were no more the domanitaing people in Canadian colonies after the end of American revolution because the incomming refugees from the south of the border simply outnumbered the long settled French population in Canada. Since then English laws and English language became dominating factor in Canada which led to near seperation of French Canada from the rest of Canada 211 years later in 1995. Well, it might it a legacy of war of independence for the Patroits but at the same time it was a legacy of terror, fear and uncertainity for the Loyalists who had no choice but to flee to Canada between 1756-1784. Founding fathers of the United State were learned men yet they did not hesitate to use every sort of brutal tactics to win the war of independence. You should watch "Canada-A People's History" to see the other side of the story which is 17 episode 37 hour documentary produced by government owned CBC (Candian Broadcasting Corporation). I would suggest you watch parts 4 and 5 which covers that peroid in the timeline. These guys were at war and you are telling me that the war between the loyalists and Patroits was chivalrous....ha ha ha By the way, do you think average Maoist fighters and the local commanders on the ground gives any crap to Prachanda and Baburam's words. They used to care but now they no longer care what Bauram and Prchanda has to say because do you think Baburam and Prachanda know more than average Maoist fighters and their local commandrs about the exact realities in the battlefields. Local and regional Maoist commanders run war on their terms not on Baburam's or Prachanda's terms. The Maoist have replaced leaders at different level of command so many times in the past after their capture or death. They can well replace Prachanda and Baburam as well. After all the job of Prachanda and Baburam has now more or less limited to "spokesperson" and "coordinator" only. By the way, the doctrine of Maoist war in the Nepali context was unveiled not by Baburam or Prachada, it was rather unveiled by Mohan Vaidya (A.k.a Kiran) whom is currently in Indian custody for more than a year. Did that make any difference ?
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Bhrasta Netaa and nice, Again, you guys exhibit a trait that is prevalent among Nepali folks living abroad - many seem to be under the impression that the maoists are just a bunch of "oppressed people" fighting for thier rights. Geez... 'HELLO!!' which planet do you guys live in? You guys are utterly clueless!!! Your posts reek of sheer ignorance. 'Ruthless terrorists' does not even come close to describing them. Talibans look pretty tame when compared to these terrorist thugs. Tell you guys what, why don't you come on over and live here for a year, preferably in districts hit hard by Maoist insurgency. I DARE YOU. You guys would be shitting bricks in your pants in horror every minute every hour of the day. If there is an 'oppressed class', it's the common folks and people from the lower socio-economic strata who are suffering the most from Maoists atrocities. These terrorists have made our life a living hell. Many schools across several districts have been indiscriminately bombed; students have been prevented from attending schools WHY????????; students sometimes in hundreds have been abducted to induct them into thier ranks; public amenities and infastuctures like hydro-power plants, telephone towers, hospitals are been destroyed(for God's sake, we are among the poorest country in the world, our govt. aint got no money to build them); people are being murdered for failing to provide them donations; arms and limbs of drivers who ply their vehicles on the roads are being cut off and put on display to warn others; passengers are being burnt alive for defying bandhs; people are being driven out of thier homes for no reason whatsoever; etc etc..I could be here all day if I were to keep going on about Maoists atrocities. SLC is only a month away but thosands of schools across the country remain closed, what if you were one of the students? Our agony and pain is excruciating to say the least.
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Posted on 02-26-05 3:04
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To: gham-pani I cannot guarantee about Maoist Socialist because I am not one of them or I am not their supreme leader, too. I am just doing Political Analysis of their ideology and activities. Yes, we hear lots of innocent people are killed by RNA and Maoist. We know that Nepalese media is very poor and cannot trust and depend on it very much. It is very difficult to say that How much or What percent are accurate in Nepalese Media? Sometimes, it is very hard to differentiate with local culprits, RNA and Maoist. Sometimes one party fake to another parties. It is just like wild-wild south east Asia. I think nobody wants fighting, killing and social disturbance of lives without strong reasons. Because own action hurts, own self. It is respectable and understandable. However, let?s think for a moment. Who want to die for nothing? On the other hand, Who wants to die without very good reasons? Do you think Maoist wants to die for nothing, or for good causes? Beside that, Do you think that Maoist kill innocent people, for What? From my knowledge, I do not see any benefit to Maoist by killing innocent people. I think that they only kill people those who became their enemies or who betrayed to them. That could be practically and technically correct or believable. Do you think that you will fight or kill someone, who did not hurt you? You will only run to escape if you do not have a gut to take action against perpetrator. If somebody like you or love you, will you pull trigger and shoot him/her? I do not think so. I think that if anybody punches anyone in the street for nothing when only he or she became psycho, drunk or crazy. Is not it? Are you agree? Therefore, I believe that Maoist really do not kill innocent people on the behalf of their true acknowledge. Because killing innocent people are straight against their ideology or principle, and that is not they die for. Therefore, that must be some kind of propaganda of Nepalese Media, or in Nepal. However, we know that definitely there must be possible to happen like human errors or human mistakes. On the other hand, some Maoist crooks were existed inside Maoist. It could be happen. Some reason, you defiantly different between your own brother and sister. It is universal truth. I do not think terrorists want to die for the better future of Nepal and Nepalese. That is not either reality nor true. Telling Terrorist to revolutionaries is old time escape goat technique of politics which Nepalese crooks try to implemented, and their filthy hope of protection and support from other. Maybe, we think socialism is out dated for today, but Nepalese Maoist believe that they can do better than other Nepalese crooks, and they told that they will show good example to the world - how Nepal should be developed. One thing, I would like to express truly that a real socialism do not seems to have Good Insurance of quality and happy life. On the other hand, all Nepalese democratic parties are certified/registered of 50 years experienced criminals. They already enough ruined our life. Our choice is that either we need to take rotten apple or baby apple. We have only these apples as a food in desert. Both apple are bad for health. Which one will you choose?
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Posted on 02-28-05 10:47
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Mr. BHrasta Neta, Don't try to pass off as a knowledgeable person of history. What do you know about history, the American history or world history? I guess, very little. I think it is beneath me to confer the dignity on the Maoist barbarians by discussing with them on equal terms. What have the Maoists done in Nepal? Except kill and terrorize people who defy their obscurantist thinking. Maoism has no place in modern world. Don't try to compare them to the American revolutionaries, these Maoist barbarians. Given a peaceful way to voice their grievances, the American founding fathers would never have taken up the arms against the British crown. They were gentleman, while Maoist thugs are barbarians out to exalt themselves by spilling the blood of Nepali citizen. The stupidity of the government and their petty quarrels made it possible for the pillaging bands of the Maoist savage to grow mere nuisance to one of terroristic force capable of paralyzing the rural Nepal. Only stupid unthinking idiot like you can find in the inhuman violence of the Maoist monster the liberation of Nepali society. Let King show a boldness to crush the Maoist terror. That should start from the top, by hunting and eliminating the Maoist leadership. These Maoists monsters, BabuRAM AND PRACHANDRA must be exterminated. Let them find no sanctuary either in Nepal or India.
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Posted on 02-28-05 3:17
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Hark dude You are assuming me as some ignorant person about the American and world history as if you know me really well in person. That is a really funny thing to read..ha ha ".............what have the Maoists done in Nepal ? Except to kill and terrorize people who defy their obstructionist thinking............" Well, the American revolutionaries did exact the same thing of killing and terrorizing people who were loyal to the colonial regime. Of course the loyalists defied the revolutionary ideas of Patriots therefore the loyalists met their fate. They were left with no choice but be forced to flee and take refuge in Canadian colonies of British empire. The estimated number of 55 thousand (55,000) people to flee American colonies to take refuge in Canada. The figure is very large for that time period in history. So you totally lack moral ground to glorify the American revolutionaries as "gentlemen" while at the same time label the Maoists as "terrorists" for the axact same acts of killings and terror. In the eyes of colonial regime the American revolutionaries were also terrorists if you apply the same threshold of proof of acts. Why he heck should I see it differently over the American revolutionaries from the Maoists ? "...given a peaceful way to voice their grievence, the American founding father would never have taken arms........" Well, the American founding fathers did have peaceful means. 0' Well, there was a simple solution, pay the taxes levied by the colonial regime and avoid the fight. If they were not interested in paying taxes as levied by the colonial regime but rather interested to to take the colonial regime out of American colonies well, Mahatma Gandhi busted the same colonial regime out of India without taking arms or without the battles like Battle of Lexington, Battle of Bunker Hill, Battle of Saratoga and about 3 dozen more battles. Well, then I dont see American revolationaries did any different than the Maoist for fighting all out war. After all , the American revolutionaries had also dipped themselves in blood in fight against the colonial regime then why the heck do I see it differently from the Maoists ? Just like the Maoists, the American revolutionaries also paralized the lower half of British colony in North America and created a great nuisence for the colonial regime after the major battles began to errupt in various parts in American colonies mainly after 1775. In that sense the American revolutionaries were terrorists in the eyes of colonial regime. The fascinating similarity is that the American founding fathers and the founders of Maoists both believed and acted on the idea that "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun." It is really hard to tell who is stupid and who is not unless you see the same type of inhumane violence committed by two different groups in two different time period in history and reach a totally different verdicts for those two differnt groups for the same type of acts. By the way, the Nepali conflict is far more complex than the American War of Independence because of complex social, political, economic, cultural and racial and geographical components attached to the conflict. One thing I must remind you that even if the Maoist have had not started the war some other group would have had definately started the conflict anyway. The only credit that the Maoist got is that they became the first group to do so. Gyane or his army does not have the mind to understand that complexity nor he has any solution beside deploying his army. He can scratch out the scar but doesnt have any brains nor the willingness to look deep beneath. And the war goes on. Chao
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Posted on 02-28-05 3:43
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Reply: Maoists are not terrorists. Maoists are revolutionaries and they just have their different ideology and view of politics. Fighting, Killing, War, Battle are not good in sound, but NOT ALWAYS. In the past and currently, every nations have political arms struggles. All great countries like America, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, China, Korea, and Russia have their own type civil war or Revolution. True freedom and Democracy are not free. Maybe Nepalese people did not enough comitte or contribute for True Democracy and Freedom. Therefore, it is happening in Nepal. Although we suffer from situation. Like, if you win lottery accidentally, you do not seriously care to spend money. But, if you work hard and earn money, then you will think 100 times before you spend it all. Because you know that how hard is to earn money. It will have true value of your money at that time. Nepali Cheap Democracy came same that way. So, most of the crooks Nepalese and Leaders did not have value of democracy. Those crooks Nepalese and Leaders forced us to loose Nepali Democracy. Just in front of eyes, American killed millions innocent Red Indians, Black Africans, Japanese, Iraqi, Afghanis who can tell terrorist to Americans. People die for American and their country. These American are well-organized terrorist of the world and human civilization because American can do anything for their interest. They already showed breaking International Law and Agreement of Peace.
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WHOEVER YOU ARE, I am SAYING YOU ARE IDIOT AND DONOT KNOW A THING ABOUT HISTORY. I AM NOT ASSUMING ANYTHING. AMERICAN REVOLUTION WAS ABOUT SEVERING TIES WITH THE BRITISH CROWN. FOR TWO COUNTRIES SEPARATED BY THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, THERE WAS ALWAYS BOUND TO BE A DISSOLUTION OF THE UNION BINDING THEM. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. THE PHILOSOPHICAL FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION WAS THE WORK OF JOHN LOCK WHO SAID THAT IT IS JUST TO REVOLT AGAINST TYRANNICAL REGIME IF PEACEFULOPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT EXIST. THE GUIDING SPIRIT OF THE MAOIST THUGS IS THE COLD BLOODED COMMUNISM.HOW CAN YOU COMPARE YOURSELF TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY. ABOUT THE TERROR DURING AMERICAN REVOLUTION< THERE WAS MINIMUM BLOODSHED OUTSIDE THE BATTLE FIELD. THERE WAS NO TERROR: YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. THE COUNTRY EMERGING FROM THE AMERICVAN REVOLUTIUON WAS A PROGRESSIVE CAPITALIST COUNTRY PLUS THERE WAS NO SYSTEMATIC TERROR AGAINST THE LOYALIST. WHERE IS THE MAOIST TERROR PLUNGING NEPAL INTO? AMERICAN FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN DEMOCRACY AND WERE DISCIPLE OF THE LOCK, TO NAME ONE. THEY WERE RAISED IN THE FINEST TRADITION OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY AND THOUGHT. WHO ARE THESE MAOIST THUGS DISCIPLE OF? POLPOT AND MAO. TELL ME WHAT MAOIST VIOLENCE IS ABOUT? IT IS TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY AND MAKE IT UNGOVERNABLE? MAOISTS ARE SUBHUMAN SPECIES, TAKING DELIGHT IN THE INHUMAN TERROR? HOW DEGRADING FOR THE AMERICAN FOUNDING FATHERS WHEN THE DISCIPLE OF MASS MURDERS POLPOT CALL THEMSELVES AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARies. THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THE DISCIPLE OF LOCKE AND POLPOT? THE MAOIST TERRORIST TOOK UP ARMS AGAINST THE ELECTED CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT LONG BEFORE KING G. TOOK OVER BECAUSE THEY NEVER COULD NEVER WIN THE ELECTION. I ASKED YOU TO READ H. ZINN? IF YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WILL PERHAPS UNDERSTAND THE GRANDEUR OF TRUTH THAT A STUDY OF HISTORY OPENS> THE POLPOT WORSHIPPER MAOIST TERRORIST CALLING HIMSELF AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY? IS THERE A GREATER PARODY OF TRUTH? "You are assuming me as some ignorant person about the American and world history as if you know me really well in person. That is a really funny thing to read..ha ha" ".............what have the Maoists done in Nepal ? Except to kill and terrorize people who defy their obstructionist thinking............ So you totally lack moral ground to glorify the American revolutionaries as "gentlemen" while at the same time label the Maoists as "terrorists" for the axact same acts of killings and terror. In the eyes of colonial regime the American revolutionaries were also terrorists if you apply the same threshold of proof of acts. Why he heck should I see it differently over the American revolutionaries from the Maoists ? "...given a peaceful way to voice their grievence, the American founding father would never have taken arms..... Gyane or his army does not have the mind to understand that complexity nor he has any solution beside deploying his army. He can scratch out the scar but doesnt have any brains nor the willingness to look deep beneath. And the war goes on. I CAN"T ENTER INSIDE THE KING G.'S HEAD. I JUST HOPE HE SHOWS THE DETERMINATION TO CRUSH THE MAOIST TERRORIST. HE SHOULD NOT DEVIATE WHEN THE WORLD COMMUNITY MISTAKENLY CRIES FOUL> THE WORLD OPINION WILL SOON RALLY ROUND HIM> THIS IS THE LAST DEATH GASP OF THE MAOIST TERRORIST> IAM NOT FOR EXTERMINATING THE ORDINARY MAOIST> I BELIEVE IF THE DIRECT GOVT OF KING G. EXTERMINATES THE MAOIST LEADERSHIP, THIS WHOLE TERRORIST NETWORK WILL COLLAPSE IN 3 MONTHS> IT IS A LIE PROPAGATED BY THE MAOIST TERRORIST THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITHOUT THE LEADERSHIP? ONLY IF THE PREVIOUS STUPID GOVERNMENT OF NEPAL HAD UNDERSTOOD THIS< MAOISM WOULD HAVE BEEN NIPPED IN THE BUD.
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Hark dude ".......whoever you are I'm saying that you are an idiot and do not know a thing about......." Well, your howling doesnt hold any water so I rather not waste my time on this remark of yours, anyway thanks for letting me know so much about yourself..ha ha and by the way you gotta learn a lot kid. "..........American revolution was about severing ties with the British Crown..... " The Maoists put together economically, politically, socially, culturally, racially and geographically excluded groups of people and started a revolution to cut off ties with the Nepali Crown and the establishment. ".......For two countries seperated by the Atlantic. it was bound to dessolution of the union binding them...." In the case of Nepal, the two groups of people (the ones who enjoyed the previllages of the establishment and the ones who were excluded and did not enjoy the previllages of the establishment) were seperated economically, politically, socially, racially and in many cases geographically. The cenuries old ties were bound to dissolution. "....The philosophical foundation of American revolution..........is just to revolt against the tyrannical regime peacefully if opportunity exists....." For the groups of Nepali people excluded from the mainstream economy, politics, society and culture Nepali crown and the establishment was a Tyrannical regime in the eyes of these groups of Nepali people. Baburam went to Deuba with 40 point demand in Feb 13, 1996 in hope of peaceful deal. Baburam wasnt even allowed to enter Singh Darbar. Deuba brushed off the Baburam's 40 point demands and the revolt officially began. ".....The guided spirit of Maoists is................cold bloded communism......How can you compare yourself to an American revolutionary..." I really dont believe so and even if it somehow becomes a reality in Nepal. My suggestion is "lets experiment" . If I were a Maoist revolutionary probably I would have been able to tell you how I compare myself to an American revolutionary. You are providing the details about the casulties in and out of the battlefields of the American revolution as if you were present in the battlefields of American revolution. And of course the massive loyalist exodus to Canada itself tells if a systematic terror was present or not. "......American founding fathers believed in demoracy and were raised in the finest...." Yes of course and didnt hesitate to use violence of any sort when necessary...and George W. Bush II is one of the finest decendents of American democracy.
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Harka and Bhrasta, It was nice reading two different attitude regarding Maoists, and further reading some American history. I assume both of you are in America(as both of you are so familiar with American history). It's just an assumption... To understand Nepali Maoists, one needs to understand the history of Nepali Maoists revolution, which is just 10 years old. I have been closely watching their movement since their revolution started. Dont get me wrong, I have been watchig them as an ordinary Nepali citizen nothing else. When their revolution started, no one thought they would get this far. In their initial stage, they started community works in remote villages where government contribution was nominal. This gave them a huge popularity in the villages then. Those were the days when their activities was mostly political. They would punish the fatahs of villages, which made the majority people happy. I have even heard that during those days, you would need to pass a rigorous test (endurance, discipline, and attitude) for a membership in Maoists. They continued with their strategy for 3-4 years. After 3-4 years, they found that they were not getting anywhere. Since they didnt have sufficient cadres, they had no choice except to accept anyone who was interested to join their party. This was perhaps one of the biggest mistake of Maoist leadership. When the masses began to flock to their camp, it was difficult to evaluate their cadres and monitor them. They never cared whether the new cadre had good records or not. They were happy as long as the masses flocked to their camp. Then came another problem like funding for the party and cadres. When they were small, they were fed by villagers. When they grew, they had to ask for food and even threaten the villagers. Some of the rowdy Maoists would love to eat "masu+bhat", but I have also heard of some Maoists surviving on maize alone. "Aama khane kura kehi chha ghar ma? Chhaina babu, yehi makai matra ho, yehi pisera aato banai dina sakchhu, Pardaina Ama, tyo makai dinus, hami tesai khanchhau" They would eat sukeko makai and water. I had only seen animals eating in such fashion. And there are some of them who would take away goat, hens, or whatever they liked to eat. As the time passed on, they started expanding their militia, and began attacking soft targets like police posts in villages. Girija tried to mobilize army at that time because he knew police wouldn't stand any chance. As far as I know, King Birendra didn't let him mobilize army. Things were going slowly for Maoists. General public thought they would not stand any chance against Royal Nepal Army. After Narayanhiti massacre, things got worse for whole country. An aimbitious Deuba got into Singha Durbar. He wanted to negotiate with Maoists, but he had little authority. So Maoists pulled out of peace talks and attacked Army barrack in Dang. That was the birth of Commander Pasang, and beginning of ascendancy of Military wing in Maoist Party. Soon after they were declared Terrorists, and state of emergency of declared, and house was dissolved. I guess every one knows the chronicle of these events. Pasang went on attacking headquarters and destroy them (argakhanchi, Beni, and others). Maoists wouldn't stand any chance against RNA---people were wrong here too. Today even when the army is deployed, nothing has improved. Instead it has gotten worse. At that point in time, Maoists started their autonomy policy. It was like afno Gajasa afai banau. The local committe was free to raise fund on their own way. This was the second mistake of Maoists. By letting autonomy prevail in their organization, they failed to regulate their cadres. Today, even if Prachanda issues an statement, the local cadres defy it. Things have gotten out of Maoist leadership. The military wing controls most of the things, political figures like Bhattarai and Mahara are in minority. The parties achived multiparty democracy, Can Maoists achive republican? Even if they achieve election to constitution assembly, that will be more than enough, and boost the multiparty democracy. There is no way, they are going to impose a communist state like Mao's China. They know that very well that without Deng Xiaping's reform policy, Mao's china would have been like Russia. Let us wait and see what time holds for all of us including Maoists and King G.
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Bhrasta_Netaa
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Posted on 03-01-05 3:41
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Hark dude World has definately rallied behind him and cutting off the aid by India, Europeans and others is the strongest proof yet isnt it ? In November 2001 after the announcement of first state of emergency Deuba told the press that the Maoists will be defeated in 3 months by Royal Army. Now after more than 3 years, Royal Army has not gotten a clue about from where the heck are the Maoists popping up and still paralizying Nepal.
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Hark dude By the way, you seem to have great passion for American democracy and the legacy of democracy. I have no problem with that but the thing I realy dont understand is the fact that how on earth the same person who has such a great passion for absolute democracy want to see absolute Gyane's autocracy in Nepal. Is it something like "I really dont want to kill anyone at someone else's home but I have no problem killing anyone at my home " ?
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Democracy is the sweetest things to say because it is free. However, the human beings in this world proved that Democracy is not for all nations. Before accepting or implementing Democracy in any nation, the country of the people must have ready. That means the people, culture and society of that particular country must have higher quality literacy rate than average population before accepting or implementing democracy. Constitution, Law and Order must be modern, scientific and strong. No one should be above the law. Otherwise, Look at truly in Nepal, African countries, Arabian courtiers and South Asian countries. Why they failed or collapsed to maintain democracy? Why Democracy became only in name? Is not it?
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Posted on 03-08-05 3:27
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I agree. That is 100% True.
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Posted on 03-08-05 9:01
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K SATPAT PRATISHAT SATYA. MAOBADI NARABHAKCHI HUNA BHANER. DUSKARMA BAT BACHA; ATMA MA APARADH KO BOJH NA RAKH. MAOBADI DUSTHA LAHI SAMARTHAN GARNA CHODA
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MAOBADI KO Jaghanya aparadh ra amanbiyata ko ago le Nepal ko Atma jali rakheko cha, tar jaba maobadi aparadhi dandit hunechana taba nepal ko bhabisye ko feri suryodaya hune cha.
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