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gwajyo
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Posted on 12-28-05 10:01
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Combing operation against Maoists in Rolpa KASHIRAM DANGI Rolpa, Dec 29 - The Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) has launched a massive combing operation against the Maoists in Rolpa district to flush out the rebels from their stranglehold area. A large number of the government troops have already entered the district's northern and western villages on Saturday. A group of soldiers has been dispatched to Thawang village in the north while another has been deployed in Bhawang village in the west. Each group of troops comprising 500 soldiers - have been formed for the combing operation mission. Army choppers dropped over 2,000 soldiers in the district from neighboring Dang and Chitwan for the operation which include the commandos of the army’s special force - Ranger Battalion. According to the New Gorakh Battalion based at Libang, each group has been deployed to the Maoist stronghold areas under the command of a Lieutenant Colonel. The RNA operation comes at a time when the Maoist-declared unilateral ceasefire is still on and is likely to expire on January 2. The source also said that the latest security operation would be one of the "deadliest" operations. "Although we have plans to conduct the operation for about a week to disarm the rebels, we will establish temporary camps in various villages," the source said. The RNA has also warned various representatives of development organizations in the district to refrain from going out into the village areas for few days. http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=60975
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Phatte
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Posted on 12-30-05 3:27
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gwajyo
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Posted on 12-30-05 3:28
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Good point by phatte and pats. But this is not about physical fight. There is something wrong inside our head. It's not only versus democracy, it comes when we start to talk about castes, religion and even the job status, and perhaps even the year spent in US. It's just ridiculous.
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VincentBodega
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Posted on 12-30-05 3:28
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Phatte, Dont get me wrong. I wrote to Birbhadra after his challenge. I am not among those who takes brawn into a lot of consideration when it comes to opinions. I do want to see things prosper in Nepal as well. But as someone else pointed out earlier. Everything has its time. Its not a time for democracy in Nepal. "you got to learn to crawl, before you learn to walk." I want Nepal to learn to crawl first. And I have maintained that elections are the first phase of democracy and people should take part it that before saying its not going to be fair. Thats a first step in democracy and King is fine, he is doing a pretty good job: not perfect but pretty darn good. I am not willing to let go of a good leader insearch of perfection that no where to be seen in the political arena. About the fight, I will fight you too, if you insist. Bring your brawn and bucks!
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VincentBodega
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Posted on 12-30-05 3:35
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Pats, Do you feel anything fishy about the leaders coincidentally going to Delhi when the King "insulted" the Indian delegation during SAARC. Do you feel anything fishy about the leaders shaking hands with the Maoists who are killing the same sojha sajha janta you are so worried about? Isn't that trading on the blood on the same sojha sajha janta? How do you plan to tell all the families who lost their lives in the battle to safeguard the nation against this inhumane force that now we have decided to shake hands with them now and that we dont care about your blood, sweat and tears?
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Pats
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Posted on 12-30-05 4:29
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Vince, I agree with you that Maoists have terrorized sojha sajha janata both you and I care about and it is difficult to believe that political parties are shaking hands with these same butchers. However, I think it is more important to stop violence as soon as possible to help the same janata we care about to save our future generations. Thirteen thousand people have died, many of them civilians. Believe it or not, 2/3 of those thirteen thousand people lost their lives on hands of Government troops. The loss of lives only multiplied when army was brought in to crush maoists. We are in a stalemate now and both Maoists and army both are not strong enough to beat each other. Now let us be realistic about the conflict. This stalemate situation can last for a very long time and this is not good for Nepali people we care about. In this regard, I see the negotiations between political parties and maoists positively since peace can only be achieved through talks. I think it is a both bold and risky step towards the right direction. If you do not have problems with King Tribhuvan escaping to India and negotiating with Ranas, then why would you have problems with political parties negotiating with Maoists in India? After all there is a slight hope that negotiations may save many lives. I would rather be someone telling people who lost loved ones that there is a closure to this nonsensical violence than that I would like to continue killing more people risking their children's lives. Peace.
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Posted on 12-30-05 5:01
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Pats, once again you've proved you are high on crack. When have you seen any kind of dispute among us Nepalis being settle through "talks". Take sajha.com for prime example, what do we do here?? Nothing but talk but have you ever seen anyone 2 persons with difference of opinion coming to an agreement during their talks here?? NO FCUKING WAY. As a matter of fact the more talking you do the worse things gets between us....just like it is about to happen with you and I. I don't know what it is about us Nepalis but NO we cannot settle our difference by talk. Maoist have alreaday been in talk with the king in past when the minister Pun was doing this and that, parties have already been in talk with kings in the past, everyone from congress and deuba, RPP to UML were joing the royal government at different times. Did any fcuking thing happen while they were in talks? NOPE not a damn thing. Actually after the talks, the drift between involved parties was widen. So nothing is going to come out with talks between the political parties and maoists now. It's a maoist propaganda to make people like you belive that their army is just as powerful and there will never be a solution by engaging in an arm conflict. That is not true in any way shape or form. Our army can crush these inhumane bastard anytime they want. The fact that they are also a fello Nepalis might have stopped them. But looks like army's said enough is enough and are now in the process of flushing them outta their strong hold in Rolpa. I hope army's new year resolution is to kill every one of these motherland raping bastards including prachanda and baburam. Look for some good news in that regard in the near future.
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-30-05 8:07
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vincent you were the one who wanted to get physical with me if you go back to your first comment. it is not my nature to ass-kick fellow nepali. i accept your challenge. but i can't be in NYC if you visit nepal let me know then we will settle our differences. shame on you all royalist dogs living in a free world and deciding an opressed system is better for people living in nepal.
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ShresthaN
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Posted on 12-30-05 9:05
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Birbhadra, we are not living in stone age. And we can not just hate a regime judging by what happened 200 years ago. We should look and learn from what is happening now and what try to secure our future. We should look towards peace and prosperity, not more animosity. At present, King has rekindled our hope for a good future. We are all tired of the parties. We should join hand with the current regime to defeat Maoists.
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Phatte
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Posted on 12-30-05 9:18
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Vincint, don't worry bro. I'm from NY too. I live in Jacksonheight, 73 St. If you really wanna fight, I am here for you. Send me an email.
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HelloSajha
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Posted on 12-31-05 2:07
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Don't me this a challenging platform ! Make your point from your words, peacefully
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-31-05 9:53
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pasa, you can't defeat maoist. it is impossible. they are not regular army they are guerrilas. do you know any country that has been successful in getting rid of guerrila uprising. NONE! you need a reality check. there is no way that the royal regime can survive for ever. anyways if you see gyane as the savior of nepal i feel so sorry for you that i can't even laugh. good luck!
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-31-05 9:55
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change of plans, Vincent i'll definitely see you in NYC during ANA convention. i don't have any boys but you can bring all your boys.
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VincentBodega
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Posted on 12-31-05 1:10
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Birbhadra, Why cant you defeat Maoists again? How about IRA, they were militants once, now they have done into hiding. Heres a reality check for you. If Maoists could so easily take over Nepal then what are they waiting for? A full moon? Its not that easy pasa . About not being able to laugh, well I can tell you something I sure can laugh. I can laugh because of the present, the present thats ruled by our King. I am sorry you cant laugh. May be some day you will be able to. Dont worry too much, I am sure you will have your favorite PM or whatever you want to call your leader. But not now. Now is our turn to laugh! About the fight, it was sheer arrogance of me to even think of such possibility. I was kinda "bullied" into it by a stupid comment and I want to rectify that. I dont want to beat up a fellow newar. Happy new year.
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Posted on 12-31-05 1:50
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Yo Vincent cha, don't worry if you don't wanna beat up on your fellow newar. I will...no offence to you bro...but i will beat the shit outta this kharpan carrying, shit farming, veggie selling JYAPU. Birbhadra -
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-31-05 2:01
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Vincent pasa, i am not newar i lived most of my life in kathmandu and have many newar friends. now since you know that i am not newar would you think about me differently? i personally do not think there is any difference between any ethnic groups in nepal we are all nepali regardless of our personal opinions. BUT the king you are supporting doesn't think that way. in this 21st century he is so enthnocentric and full of crap that you can't even imagine. ask him if his royal family will ACCEPT a newari girl as a future queen. hell no he won't. you see what i'm saying . why even support a system whose fundamental beliefs and foundations are based on ethnic and racial superiorty. this is an era where you support equality and opportunities based on merit not your ethnic or family background. can you imagine a newar being a king of nepal? NO! but can you imagine a newar ( just an example could be any ethnic group) being a president or primeminister ? YES it is possible. had Late Ganeshman Singh agrred he could have been the first PM after we got democracy in the 90s. even if gyane is as good as god (i would have to laugh that here excuse me) it's not who i want to get rid of its the royal regime that i would like to get rid of forever. so that we don't have to fight for democracy again and again. BTW you are very lucky, newari food is really good unlike our pahade jhol jhamtas. ke garne kaam chalaiyo
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-31-05 2:08
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II I II.., i can't believe your ignorance, vincent you don't need support from this raja's chamchas who are obviously enthocentric moron who doesn't even have any respect for fellow nepali of ethnic group other than his own. ta jastai paji haru le khas haru ko naam badnam grya ho. BTW, how do you know i'm HOMO did i eve f**D your A** ummm i quite don't remember but seems like you really have a good memory
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Posted on 12-31-05 2:46
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Birbhadra, I dont think of you any differently. Like I said, the reason I came out like the way I did was because of your prosition. I am 99% if we put on the gloves, the result will come out in my favor. I am not trying to gloat, rather its one of the reason I dont think fighting is a good option. I do not care what the King thinks about newars. I dont care about his taste in women or religion or food or clothes. The reason I respect the King is I would rather have him represent Nepal than anyone else for now. He seems to have that "charisma" that oozes attention from both his friends and foes. In my opinion a leader is not an incarnation of God, at least not in this day and age. A leader should be able to represent one's nation amidst the world as per the time and situation. I think our King does a pretty good job. We talk about, how its unfair to have monarchy as it prevents you and me to be in that position. My question is how different will we take care of the situation? Can we even match what the King can do and bring to the table as a leader? I dont think so. And, this has nothing to do with our abilities, its rather how ordinary Nepalese's minds have been set. I have done my share of schooling from few respected places and I have been fortunate to be able to add two and three letters after my name. That doesn't mean that I can rally the country in anyway. I think the same is true for other Nepalese. I understand that we take examples from the US and the world how democracy has done wonders. But if you take a step back, do you really think it was the political situation that was responsible for their economic and social growth? I think not. I think it was sheer work that was put in by the citizens. There was an article written by a Korean boy which asked the ultimate question: "have you ever cried for your country?" I liked the article because it fosters a sense of contribution from the commoners rather than the usual accusation towards the government on how it has failed to develop the situations. I dont think it takes a King or a PM to build a country's economy. No matter what the international communities likes to say, Bill Gates is not what he is today because of a political situation of the US. I think we could use a couple of Bill Gates in Nepal now and there is no law that says you can't be one in Nepal, whether there's democracy or not. I dont have a direct answer for the kid. But I think I come pretty close to it when I tell myself that Nepal should come out of this misery by using what we already have and know so well. I dont think we can do any good for ourselve by by giving up something thats so innate to us. I understand there have been some shady activities associated with the royal family. But its not the individual that I respect when I talk about monarchy. I respect the system. King is not just Gyanendra or Paras to me. Its an institution that has held on for a while. It will be almost impossible to build something that will come even close to that. I think it will be suicidal if we let go of something we understand so well for something we dont know anything about. All in all, I guess I have managed to say nothing with a lot of words. What I want from Nepalese of today is the love for their country and their ways. I dont care how conservative it sounds. I want to be able to meet Nepalese who believe in the fact that they can prosper their situations with what they have and not go with the western philosophy that seems to portray that democracy is that magical pill that just cures everything. There are other systems that have flourished in the world. We dont have to look that far, a little north of us is thriving example how democracy can be an evolving process.
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Posted on 12-31-05 3:26
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VincentBodega wrote: "But its not the individual that I respect when I talk about monarchy. I respect the system. King is not just Gyanendra or Paras to me. Its an institution that has held on for a while. It will be almost impossible to build something that will come even close to that. I think it will be suicidal if we let go of something we understand so well for something we dont know anything about. What I want from Nepalese of today is the love for their country and their ways. I dont care how conservative it sounds. I want to be able to meet Nepalese who believe in the fact that they can prosper their situations with what they have and not go with the western philosophy that seems to portray that democracy is that magical pill that just cures everything." Very well said and I couldn't have said it any better myself. It is indeed refreshing, encouraging and gives me great pleasure to know there are other fellow Nepali brothers and sisters who share such sentiments. We all have one thing in common and that is genuine love for our motherland Nepal. May this love prevail against the hating forces. Jay Nepal
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-31-05 5:17
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well, Vincent since we are not getting each other's point or at least not agreeing with each other i don't see any relevance on carrying this discussion any further. you try your best to save the monarchy and i'll try my best to make nepal a democratic republic. i'm so convinced in what i understand that i will not agree even if Shiva comes and tells me that monarchy is better for nepal. kshyama for my aham prabhu but i 'm not budging from my stance. jai nepal
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"But its not the individual that I respect when I talk about monarchy. I respect the system. King is not just Gyanendra or Paras to me. Its an institution that has held on for a while. It will be almost impossible to build something that will come even close to that. I think it will be suicidal if we let go of something we understand so well for something we dont know anything about. What I want from Nepalese of today is the love for their country and their ways. I dont care how conservative it sounds. I want to be able to meet Nepalese who believe in the fact that they can prosper their situations with what they have and not go with the western philosophy that seems to portray that democracy is that magical pill that just cures everything." Very well sayd by Vincent!
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