There is no reason for the King to bow down to international media pressure. Their job is to create unnecessary pressure while the King's job is to act in the interest of Nepal. And international media should focus more attention towards plight of people in Bhutan and the Nepal-origin people who have been chased away with India's silent consent. Also Darfur, Chad, Russia (where Putin has jailed his major opponent).

Current repression in Nepal is nothing when compared to that in Bhutan. Let the Maoists come to power and they will put Bhutan to shame.

In Nepal media, Kantipur Publications has started publishing news that serves India's interests. Money can do magic and who would know better than the editors of Kantipur?
My two cents

paisaa (p) or penny (p) is highly significant (p < 0.001). first, look at what so-called head of the state is doing in Nepal before commenting out what international forces are doing. Gyane has just been trying to buy some leaders and cadres with paisaa, Nepali le tireko tax le.

about Nepali press


- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4911672.stm

ShrestaT is really getting into my norve. What king of mouth peice is he of king g? OR are these kind of mouth peice are all over sajha as paid poppets of king g? Remember ShrestaT be rational at this point unless fear to be in the Black list of people's movement.

You think you can deny this news that government is spending 5 million (50 lakh) Rs a day on spies and represssion to dismantle the people's movement.

You cannot deny 1500 protesters get injured everyday.

Basically, you mandales and childern of feudal lords cannot compare Bhuttani and other world situation with what king g is going to his own people who object his direct rule. The day will come to dimmantle the Bhuttani king too unless he is intelligent enough to become an inactive statue of respect and depending on his acts and intellectual integration. The value of tradition with king g is insisting has no credential in the modern time - in this century.

And international media should focus more attention towards plight of people in Bhutan and the Nepal-origin people who have been chased away with India's silent consent. Current repression in Nepal is nothing when compared to that in Bhutan. Let the Maoists come to power and they will put Bhutan to shame.

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Very well said Shresthajee. I agree with you.

. even if the maoist take over, let's assume that, we won't be any worse off. no.

"when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose" - bd

I disagree with you "what more". I think we have lot more to lose if Maoists come to the power. This is what could happen in Maoist rule:

1. We could lose our fathers and mothers and grandfathers and grandmothers like people did in China just because they are old and of no economical use to the society.

2. We could lose your hard earned property and land, because now it belongs to the govt.

3. You could lose your creativity because the individualism has no meaning in communism.

I could go on and on. Do you want me to??

Kantipu publication is on the payroll of India, so what can you expect from it? It's a piece of stinky shit.... nnuisance to Nepal.

. what kind of maoist take-over do you have in mind basantpur?

What more ji, you may have nothing to lose if Maoist comes to power because you may be abroad. You can quote any philosophers you want but I will have to disagree because I have my life to lose.

I can live without newspapers like Kantipur but at least I will be alive. If Maoists come to power, not only me but the leaders life will also be at risk.

Do you think they will say to Girija - Mr. Girija, please come and become primeminister. We lived in jungle for 10 years and gave up everything and fought with the army to make you PM? We raised our guns and gave up home to give more power to people and democracy?

Well, you can trust them but I can not. No , thank you. And since I am in Kathmandu and am eduated as well and a believer of non-violence, I have everything to lose including my life if Maoists come to power.

.ramji, i don't trust the maobaadi, no way. but i don't fear them either, not for unwarranted reasons. we have to deal with the maobaadi, sure, but that does not mean we can afford to support (or should i say spare) the king. that is a pathetic excuse.

and yes i am not in nepal. but my everything is in nepal. my parents, my family, my life. i have every bit to lose as much as you do - but it's not like i am gaining anything now either.

.btw, if you are a believer of non-violence, what do you make of the use of force (batons, teargas, rubber bullets, live rounds) used to suppress the people?

ram ji
before i say anything, i want to make clear thate i abhor the maoists approcah and i fear that if they come to power, they will establish a communist regime and we will plunge into even deeper s***.
however, the maosts are there and they are very very close. you said you dont' watn the maoists to come to power. so waht should we do with them? allow them to rule the countryside for another decade? kidnaps school children? burn buses? plant and explode bombs and kill innocent civilians?
sure we have a huge conflict in nepal, tara we cannot resolve this conflict unless we adress teh maoist somhow.
don't you think the solution to current situation is to bring maoists to teh political mainstream and let there be a dialouguge between the maoists and the parties...they have been in loose alliance for a while now. i am not saying maoists should be allowed to rule as they wish, am just saying, may be it is time we should allow them to come into the picture. coz they are not going away; for average citizens like you and me, we want peace, we want to breathe air every morning, when we look at the news paper we dont' want to see tens of hundreds dead in a police-moists conflict in some remote village in nepal as we sit comfortably sipping tea. and the only way to avoid this is the invite maoists for dialogue...i like to be optimistic. i hope maoists will cotninue thier alliance with the parties and evetaully establish a multiparty democracy. that is wath most of us want, i hope this will not turn into wishful thinking...that is all i can do, hope.

Lfc ji, a simple question to you. Don't you think that the Maoists would have been defeated by now if the Parties had supported the King? How long do you think they can go on without support from India and political parties?

After they are disarmed and demonstrations can be done in a peaceful way through international pressure, then I will also join you on the streets to protest against the King for full democracy.

But for now, I can not go against the King simply because I do not want to be under a regime of Pol Pot.

Ifc, I think the other thing that we can do is take the Maoist leaders to the international court for crime against humanity. I don't think we should make them a part of Nepali politics, because that would be establishing a precedent. Tomorrow, if you don't like something, you go to the jungle, kill people and then you are invited to join the mainstream and you get your share. How fair is that?

all right if we take the maoists to the internaitonal justice court then we ought to take the royal regime to court too....if we are really talking numbers here, the deaths inflicted by teh RNA has been twice as much as what has been done by maosists, although i do relize saying this is kind of stupid. lets not get into an argumetn of who is the worst criminal.
i fully realize that moaists have committted horrendous crimes agaisnt humanity and i never said i support them. all i am seeking now is a solution to the present conflict....i dont' want any more people to die. that is all. i realize there have 13,000 deaths in the past decade, in the next decade, i don't want that toll to reach 26,000. i want this violence to stop noww and the only way to do that is not with an approach of tit for tat, but allow different politcal beliefs into the mainstream.
you may bleive in democracy, but i may not (i do though), can you tell me i am wrong? can you accuse me of not bleiveing in democracy? not beleiivng in your idealogies? no you cannot, similary, you cannot blame the maoists for having a communist ideals, you cannot blame them for wanting to have a fairer distrubtion of wealth thefore, they should be allowed to come into the pciture and compete with other politcla agendas. if their party wins, they can rule for certain number of years before we hold electiosn again. an intellectual recently said in ktm, "the maoists need to be tested, if not trusted". i dont' trust the maostis, i dont' trust the parties. there is nothing and no one left to trust, but giving up altoghter is not the solution. all i am aspiring for is the best solution to the problem, now the best solution will not lead to utopia, but again, all i want is peace and stablity.
as for your qeustion, basantapur, if i am the only one who goes to a jungle and kills people , i ought to be hanged. but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of maoists and maoists supports (I AM NOT ONE OF THEM) how can you ignore such a large part of the population? if you really bleive in democracy and democratic ideals, then you ought to let everyone, all kinds of political parties and agends, particiapte and express thier opinions and practise what they believe in.
ram ji, the king? and democracy? not compatible!!

Ifc, thanks for your response.

Let's not even talk about taking the king to the international court. I like the idea but that is totally different subject. I want to focus on Maoists here.

I totally agree with you that people have right to follow communist ideologue. But they do not have a right to come and take your and my property because they believe in communism. They can not take individual creativity because they don't believe in individualism.

As far as thousands of people going to the jungle is concerned, you can look at the example of Slobodan Milosevic in Serbia. He did what he did with big support, one part of Serbia loves him. But what he did was not for the humanity. Therefore he was tried in the international court. What Maoists are doing is using the poor people of remote part of the country and using them to achieve their goal. Just because there were thousands involved in killing does not justify the action. If that would be the case, Darfur case is not genocide.

i don't believe in communism. like i said before the only thing i fear abotu the present revolution is if the maoists come to power and establish a communst regime, tesh pachi ta its really over.
what i am hoping is that if king is forced to give up power, then the governmnet will go the hands of parties. and the loose alliance between teh parites and the maosits will create an environment for dialgue through which the maoists get recognition of thier parties and all the eight or more parites agree to hold elections. just becasue the maoists' party wins does not allow them to establish a communist regime. u know in recent days they have said, well prachanda has said he and his party is willing to do in concoradance wiht the peoplels' wills. he even went as far as saying he is willing to keep the monarchy intact if the peoples insist. how much of this statement prachanda really means i dont' know, but as an average, nepali citizen who only wishes well for the country,i am really hoping that the moaists will keep thier promise. i might be sounding foolish to you here, but i am desparate.
i agree with you that just because there are thousands of people involved does not justify thier crimes. not one bit. but how long can we sit and put blames on another as innocent peoples get killed? its not worth it. what will happen if we send maoists to international court of hague? may be prachanda will get accused, but we cannot send thousands of maoists to hague? what will they end up doing? we ought to think about those consequences too. sending prachanda to hague...all right, how will that make this situation any better?

i don't have a crystal ball. i don't know what is going to happen. like i said before, i am only hoping..everything i have said is wishful thinking. if the maosits come into power and establish a state like peru, columbia or cambodia, i would rather live under the represseive system of the king. but wiht recent developmetns and wanting to be in par wiht democracy, i hope my wishful thinking will turn into a reality.

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Ifc, I totally understand that you and I are just trying to be rational here. Both you and I have the best intention for the country but niether you nor I can do anything to change the situtation right now. Therefore I would like to see Prachanda and Baburam in an international court, but I can not make that happen. But still, I like to see that happen so that there is no more Prachandas mushrooming out in the country. So that so-called leader gets a lesson that if you inflict violence in the society, you will have to pay the price.

i might feel differently, but i still respect your opinion.

Thanks for respecting the opinion that is different than yours. I really appreciate that.