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 Pahadi/Himali Migration to Tarai / Who ate the rights of non Nepali speaking people?
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Posted on 05-29-11 10:27 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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people in nepal who didn't speak nepali as primary language were barred from entering into nepal army.  I've seen many qualified people not allowed to join army because their last name was not typical nepali last name.  I even know one person who hailed from a big jamindaar family.  As a jamindaar, he had good familial relations with Thakuri and most of the thakuris were in army.  Even then, he was not recruited.  Eventually, he didn't take up any job in his life since his passion was not fulfilled.  Now that his son wanted to join police as Inspector, he was asked to pay 20 lakh as a "donation".

Frankly. whole tarai belongs to those people whose primary language was not Nepali.  It was not until Judda Sumsher decided to snatch the land of those powerful jamindaar and asked the himali/pahadi people to migrate to terai, a trend which King Madhendra upheld.  Had these two people acted otherwise, there would not be any trace of Nepali speaking people in Tarai.

So, yes, there has been a big discrimination in Nepal.  And that's the reason these non nepali speaking people are pissed.

 
Posted on 05-29-11 11:32 AM     [Snapshot: 31]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Stop spreading the BS...there are lots of tribes in NA with non Nepali mother tounge. There are tharus, rajbansis, tamang,  rai, and gurungs in NA. The only people that were discriminated were and Tarai basi with Indian origin and the brahmins

Bramins  were probably steriotyped as a weak and cunning element...and Yadavs, Jhas and Guptas were probably steriotyped for being Indians.

Do not confuse the original Terai basi like Tharus, Dhimal, Rajbansis, and muslims with the new indian immigrants like Yadav, gupta, and Jhas

Editing it; Apparently b.a.h.u.n is a cuss word now in sajha..lol.
 
 
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Posted on 05-29-11 11:50 AM     [Snapshot: 42]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 In fact, NR FYI, biharis and UPeans did not fall under 'martial class' in british's classification of people in indian sub continet. This is why still today they are not given preferrene in indian army also. 
Why did not they join Na?
1. They were not there in so called madhes during the unification program
2. During anglo-Nepal war, madhesis people worked as pathfinder for East Inida company against Gorkhali (Colonel Ujir sing Thapa killed many such traitor madhises in Butwal and adjoining areas). So they were not trusted as an honest race.
3. During Rana regime, around 1857 AD, one NA equaled 15 indian sepoy so they were not thought of being a warrior class. [Tatya Tope, Jhanis ki Rani, Last Mughal king Bahdur shah Zaffar and Rani of Tulsipur(Chauhan) gathered some 150 K indian sepoys working for British in India. They became rebellion to East India company. Only Punjabis stood for EIC. Because of deficiency of army personnel to solve this Gadhar EIC requested PM & CAS Sir Jung Bahadur Rana for Help. Jung Bahadur Rana gathered a froce of 10000 NA from 1st Rifle, debidatta, Sabuj, Kalibahadur, etc. and deployed under his own command in Lucknow. NA fought and destroyed outnumber of indian rebels ]
3. After advent of democracy in 2007 BS, (R)NA was opened to everyone apart from it's initial members like Chhetri (Khas), Magar, Gurung and Thakuri. By this time Tamangs got opportunity to join NA and you can see plenty of Tamangs in NA today. So, if Tamng could join army, why madises not? Ask madhise people, they tell you the answer. Being a technical person matters more in their community [ and technical boy = higher drowry]. Probably, the army is not their kind of profession thats why they distant themselves from NA. 

I have heard NA (Gen C.M S. Gurung) has made a deal with USA to deploy NA in Iraq and Afaganistan under NATO forces. As Sidster said, few hunderds of madhisis should be deplyoed there to test their aptness for being an army. I am damn sure, no such people will make a hue and cry to join NA afterwards.
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Posted on 05-30-11 11:11 AM     [Snapshot: 189]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hya Nalapani ra Sid bro,

As nakkali khastriyas, you both should stay away from this topic.  Only Kshyatriya like us are qualified to comment in this matter.

 
Posted on 05-30-11 11:56 AM     [Snapshot: 206]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well, there might have been some odd cases that based upon someone's last names someone would have denied into NA or then RNA. But, I do not think NA or then RNA has such norms in practice nor there wasany leagal provision which bars a nepali citizen to become soldier of NA.

Before blaming NA or RNA, Madeshi people need to ask themselves how many of them had actually applied and how many of them got rejected? I bet stats will show otherwise and only handful of madeshi people would have applied. The issues here is not about NA, it is more about choice of profession of particular ethnic group- some ethnic group are comfortable with particular profession- eg, there are hell lot of madeshi in Medicine (Doctor) and Engineering profession and needless to mention the motivation of madeshi towards these profession. Similarly, [Disallowed String for - castist references disallowed]s have been good in trade and business, bramhin are attracted towards leadership and civil service position, gurng's first choice is BA, if not HK A or Singapore A, or I A  and then only NA, and Chettri likes NA. ( "laure hoina bhane chori dinna" culture is still there in Sikhles, Ghandruk and major gurung basti. Some of gurung girl friends are battling with this kind of culture)

One should not forget the general physical anatomy of each of our caste.  NA or Army profession do need certain kind of physical build up, mental toughness and utmost honesty. So, terain people who are making hue and cry over not being able to be NA does not really make sense. Basically in divided society, which has become hihgly ethnic and individualist and where collective social value system is shredded into pieces, no matter what you do, you will not make them satisfied. Tomorrow, if you take 10000 in NA from madeshi and if they deployed in war zone, they will still make politics out of it . " Hami madeshi bhayera yo pahariya le hamilai war zone ma marna pathayo". so there is no end of this sort of mentality. So stop making these kind of nonsensical argument.

So, NO ARAKCHYAN BASED ON ETHNICITY-  IF AT ALL, YES ARAKCHYAN BASED ON ECONOMIC DEPRAVITY in any profession!
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Posted on 05-31-11 10:44 AM     [Snapshot: 300]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Shantipriya,

Your presumption is good, but unfortunately, the reality has been different.  Not only Nepal, every country in world is prejudice to some class.  Don't want to blame Nepali system only.

You make a lot of sense though.  There shouldn't be mass entry for anyone in RNA based on race.

 
Posted on 05-31-11 11:58 AM     [Snapshot: 320]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 So you are real Kshyatri, evolved from hands of Brahma?? LOL. If you know about the ancient history of India you should know how Kshetriyas originiated and  how every warrior race was converted to Kshyatriay, be it Greek, Scythian (Shaka), Kambojas, Hunas. Be unbiased than being an asskisser of Shantipriya. I have already pointed out the same thing Shantipriya did, read well son of Brahma.

Finally I am happy for you leaving the cause of mass recruitment of madhesis in NA. 
PS: Nobody can stop any madhesi if he/she wants to joing army on his own. But, mass recruitment SUCKS !!!
 
Posted on 05-31-11 2:22 PM     [Snapshot: 344]     Reply [Subscribe]
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nalapaani,

matwaalis are also son of bramha, he is the creator.  don't be sad.  matwaali matrai haina, sabai praani bramha ko creation ho. kati kich kich gari rakhya kaam na kaaz ko? jaba kura jannu chhaina bhane kina pyachha bolnu parne hola?  I will accept you as a Matwali expert witness, but don't tell me that you know the puran of eveyone else.  Hera na hera, rakshi dherai khana chhod babu, you sajha bhaneko tero gaaun haina. yesma dherai manchhe harule kura bujchhan. afno bhasan lager kunai gaaun ma sunais. tero kurale tiniharule tanlai ramro fiction teller bhaner upaadhi dinchhan.

tara tan jasto jaantha nakkali chettri pani nepal ko raja ko support gareko dekher ma tan bata prabhawit bhaye.  teti dumbo ta tan chhainas. kura bujho raichha.  ego mantra tero dushman raichha.

 
Posted on 05-31-11 2:26 PM     [Snapshot: 347]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 Mula khate dhoti ta asali aukaat ma balla ayis. 
 
Posted on 05-31-11 8:56 PM     [Snapshot: 429]     Reply [Subscribe]
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nalapani le aakhir afno jaat dekhailalyo.  brahman haru sanga yeti tapne tanlai awayeskta chhaina.

mula lai dherai assumption ra presumtion ma jiune baani parisake raichha. kati beta ke bhanchha kati bela ke.. thukka mula, make up your mind.

kasaile thikai bhaneko raichha, mula talla jaat le ekdin afno jaat dekhai halchha. thukka untouchable.

 


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