All true religion finally leads to pure spirituality where there is nothing but Oneness like pure space. Can you divide space? No, because division is mental. Spiritual reality is beyond Time-Space continuum. However, due to ignorance of true spiritual reality, Nepalese people are engaging themselves in cat fights based on caste system of Nepalese society which itself is not in harmony with Vedic Scriptures. Most people who claim themselves to be a Hindu don't even have true knowledge of Vedanta. How many Nepalese people adhere to the Upanishadic words? It clearly declares these four sentences and there is no need to cat-fight on castes which doesn't exist in reality.
1) Tat Tvam Asi : That I am. What is That? That is beyond mind, therefore indescribable.
2) I am Brahma: When Atma infinitely expands then it is called Brahma. Atma envelopes the entire Brahmanda. In Vedic Sanatan Dharma, every single entity is one undivided Brahma.
3) Pragyanam Brahma: Pragya means consciousness in Sanskrit. And this awareness itself is the true Spiritual reality which is Brahma. Existence itself becomes aware of itself. Therefore, Consciousness is Brahma.
4) Ayam Atma Brahma: Atma is the word for the true Self within. This Self is not your ego bound self but is transcendental awareness which is a witness consciousness. This is you. You are this, not the limited ego bound consciousness which thinks I am male or female, Bahun or Chettri etc. etc. Atma is sexless and also caste-less. Your true identity is Atma.

There is no place for caste in Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Varna system has been wrongly manipulated as caste system by birth. Varna System infact came from the 3 qualities of human mind: Rajas, Tamas, and Sattva. Rajasic people are always involved in activites, Tamasic people rest a lot and are slow in understanding things, and Sattvic people are those who are serene, calm and intelligent. In true Yogic culture, all these mental modification do have colors as well. Rajas has red, Tamas has black and Sattva has white. And every single individual has all three present in some degree all the time. The variations of these qualities makes your personality and you behave accordingly. And a Varna System (system based on Rajas, Tamas and Sattva) came into being to categorize people based on their mental modifications. And these mental modifications changes through-out life based on your Karmic predisposition. There is no place for Caste-System based on birth on Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Therefore, Nepalese people need to understand these 4 Maha-Vakyas and practice true Vedic Sanatan Dharma (Nepalese context who think they are Hindu). 

naramrari , brainwash bhayechau ni timi ta ujl .... spirituality ko kura ghusarera.. aafnai dharma ko wakalat po suru garechau ta...
timi ta manchey pahila spiritual jasto laageko thiyo, dharma bhanda maathi utheko.. sarwagyani.. tara ahiley ta timi ta tehi hindu dharma ko pravardak, christian ko missionary ani maslim ko mula jasto po laagna thaalyo...

The only truth is you, universe and the present moment. That's it.

@Stallon... I am saying to Hindus to practice true Vedic Sanatan Dharma, not a modified version of it which is filled with rituals which are not prescribed by Vedic text. People are free to choose whatever religion they like. I am just saying to the so called Hindus who blindly follow rituals without understanding Vedanta to follow true Vedic Sanatan Dharma if they reality want to understand Dharma.

@stallon.... And also forgot to mention that you are living in duality because you said, "The only truth is you, universe, and the present moment. That's it."

Your view is totally wrong. Vedanta leads you to Oneness where nothing exist but Sat-Chit-Ananda (Existence-Consiousness-Bliss). You, universe and the present moment melts in One Supreme Absolute Reality where two things doesn't exist at all. The moment two things exist, you live in ignorance. And true Vedantic philosophy removes this ignorance of duality from the human psyche. This why Vedanta is also called Adviata meaning no duality.

Ujl we do understand the true sananta dharma but some one said you have to go to their level to debate. I understand your sentiment but these so called are always popping up now and then and blaming to one caste. If you keep the debate on table they cannot answer so sometimes you need to follow latta le hanne buth lai jati kura hare pani hudaina

ujl, I appreciate you telling me what you know. I don't think I ever said the word duality. Yes, I wrote from second person perspective, 'the present moment, you and the universe". If you contemplate it, it converges to being one. Me, my moment and universe and here I create my reality around me, which obviously is not yours. I don't have verses or sources to books written by humans some thousands years ago to validate my post and make it look so authentic like you do. I'm part of this universe, universe is within me and this consciousness to make me thing is me tuning in with my higherself. You can call it God or give it any name u like.

I have read real anecdotes of people just before dying and those were real log kept by attendants of special interest in medical facilities. Many patients who died belonged to different religion. You are firm believer of whatever belief you have in your concept. They had their own. So, to make long story short, a person belonging to Christianity saw a light and described seeing Jesus embracing him with angels around. In a similar manner, a person of Hindu religion saw Krishna just before he died and likewise, different death experiences of people belonging to different other religions mentioned of different light figures and description just before their death. So, here's a point. All they saw was light and the figures of their belief. One thing was common, they saw light. Rest was the reality or figure created by their mind which they programmed their mind what to believe during their lifetime.

Ujl, I don't want my mind be influenced by any books, any scripts written out there. I'm here to find it out , discover it myself and all am having faith on is with the one source who is reflecting on every one of us. You don't need to tell me if I'm wrong or right. It's okay.. that's what religion teaches you to point finger at others and say that they're wrong. I'm not saying you are wrong. Like I wrote before, it's your reality, not mine. I don't care.

And, yes, lets talk spiritual, please don't try to source your words to some verses or scripts of book. I precisely would not continue discussion if you still come up with the word 'vedanta' or 'hindu' or any other names like that to prove what you have to say. I'm sorry to say again, I don't believe all that stuffs. Peace.

“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics:

You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.

So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss (an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist)

Very good. I never knew someone has such a fantastic explanation.

@stallon.... I have no question to ask to you. Whatever I had to say, I have already written in this thread. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask. I would love to answer your question without using word "Vedanta' and "Hindu". Vedas itself says move beyond sound! When Rama ask question to Sage Vasistha, "Who are you?" Sage Vasistha did not answer anything. He was silent. He was silent because 'Silent' was the only answer. But here, in Sajha we have to use some language. I hope you you don't mind me using English and some Sanskrit language.

lol.. I think you don't have any words or sentences to say without attributing to stories you read every morning.
It's okay.. tc. :D

संस्कृत ग्रन्थहरु जति बिसाल छन् तेतिनै गहन |
यी गहन बिसयका ज्ञाता हरुले जातिपातिको सृजाना पछि नै आत्माको जात हुदैन भनेका हुनु पर्छ ?
सायद कहिँ जातपातको कारणले खाने मेलो मा तलमाथि भएर यो आत्मा को जात हुदैन भन्दै अछुत संग को लेन देन सगं जोडिएको फिलोसफी हो कि ? प्रश्न को लागि प्रश्न ?

UjI bro ko post feri haraula jasto cha....

@magorkhe1..... आत्मा ज्ञान पाउन तेती सजिलो चाही छैन है. योगीहरूले सांसारिक मोह-मायालाई त्यागी एकान्तमा ध्यानमा लीन भएर साक्षात अनुभव गरेर यो निस्कर्षमा पुगे कि शरीर त नाशवान पो रहेछ. शरीरमा प्राण बिना शरीरको केहि महत्व नै छैन. प्राण बिना शरीर कुहिन थाल्छ र माया गर्ने आफन्तहरूले पनि त्यो शरीरको माया गर्न छोडीदिन्छन र आर्यघाटमा लैजान आतुर हुन्छन. यो प्रक्रियालाई मृत्यु भनिन्छ र पृथ्वी लोकमा मानव जाति शरीर नाश हुदा व्यर्थ रुने कराउने गर्छन. एसको मुख्य कारण आशक्ति हो. यो आशक्ति आत्मा-ज्ञानको अज्ञानताले गर्दा हुन्छ.
आत्म-ज्ञान भएका ऋसी-मुनिलाई जात-भात के हो था नै हुदैन किनकि उनीहरूको लागि यो संसार बिलिन भैदिन्छ र लगातार दियोको ज्योति झैँ आत्म-प्रकाशले उनीहरू आत्म-आनन्दमा लिप्त हुन्छन. स्वप्न संसारबाट उठिसके पछि फेरी हिजोको सपनामा कोहि जान चाहन्छ र? चेतनाको श्रेणी हुन्छ र संसार केवल चेतनाको वरिपरि नै घुमेको हुन्छ. एउटै संसार अनेक रुपमा अनुभव गर्दछन मानव जातिले तर योगीको द्रिस्टिमा जे सत्य हो तेही नै अनिहरूले देख्दछन. आफ्ना इक्षा आकांक्षा भन्दा माथि उठेका ऋसी-मुनिहरूले जात-भात बाट के लाभ लिन सक्छन र? हिजो सपनामा म डाक्टर थिए, यो सपनाको सत्यले मेरो जीवनमा के लाभ ल्यायो र? जहाँ आत्म-ज्ञान हुन्छ त्यहाँ संसार नै हुदैन अनि कहाँ को जात-भात?

dude what is your proof of atma? can u elaborate why it is apart from brain activity ? simple question so that your or my brain can comprehend. paradox? sorry for asking it .

@controversial...
Do I have a proof of Atma?
> You cannot grab Atma like you grab objects. You cannot see Atma like you see the material world. Atma is subtler than the space. Atma has to be directly realized. How do you know you exist?
> Why it is apart from brain activity?
Atma is not something apart from brain activity like you are understanding but it pervades everything becoming itself a witness consciousness. When you see movie in a cinema hall, there is so much activity in the screen, but the screen doesn't move and the whole movie cannot exist without the screen. Similarly, the substratum for brain activity is Atma but Atma transcends all activity. It is peace and bliss. Brain activity is Prakriti's Rajasic Movement. Atma is Purusha which is an immanent reality. The intellect borrows Atma's light for understanding. Atma when expands becomes Brahma. It is immeasurable, unfathomable, unthinkable, not an ordinary consciousness. It is beyond time and space and this has to be directly realized.

Ujl, my friend you are trying to complicate things with vaque explanation.

I'm sharing what I learned in one of my meditation sessions. I don't meditate with other group of people or listening to some relaxing music. I just go to mountain tops, barefoot seated and meditate. It takes me about 20 minutes to reach that state of nothingness and then universe unveils to me. I get all this simple explanation to seemingly most complex things out of nowhere. And I don't know why and how. May be it sounds funky to you but when universe talks, I listen and it satiates queries of my innerself. I'm happy.

There is a weird cycle that we can't really understand. I can at least give an analogy. Water on Earth is like our human body. It evaporates that's like a soul. It goes through various natural phenomenon and rains back as water — rebirth. I can also associate the same analogy differently. Our consciousness is like a droplet of water, in that given moment of time and state but the very essence of water droplet is that it's a part of a big ocean(higher self). No matter where water can be found on any land on earth, it always seems to flow down to mix with rivers, streams and then to ocean (again higherself). We as a consciousness one day is destined to meet with our higherself - higher consciousness. I wouldn't be surprised if that droplet of consciousness rains back to land before reaching to ocean of higherself. It's just the part of the nature.

Now, please don't complicate things more and become analytical. Think simply, and solve mysteries. My above view is not influenced by any books, any source or any people, it just was on my mind during one of the meditation session.

PS: If you were wondering how the heck am I turned sage all of sudden when all over Sajha, you can find me spill venom and hatreds. Well, that was part of me , exposing my ego, negativity that was stuck in me causing throat chakra to go whack. I needed that cleansing.

There are few other terrifying things that lies within you, you don't know but I know, everyone should know.

Another analogy to your diagram up there. I don't see anything more than body, mind and spirit.

Body = Instrument
Mind = Manual
Spirit = User

Mind is your intellect. All that, intellect/buddhi/wisdom/manas/mind falls under this. Mind grows with experience and time. We need to keep updating it. It also becomes subconscious, so effortless that later in life , it helps you do things without thinking. Every wisdom,intellect, skills is ingrained within subconscious mind.

Body is an instrument. All that indriyani,senses,sangas etc that you mentioned in the diagram above are the parts of the instrument. It operates the way manual(mind) is written(developed/updated overtime). If manual(mind) is lost, you can see what happens, instrument becomes worthless, unusable.

Spirit is a user. It uses instrument with the help of manual. Once the purpose is served with the help of that instrument, a user leaves the instrument and moves forward. If a user's purpose is not served, he can come back and use another instrument to accomplish his goals.


Ujl, I think am channeling at this very time and just need to go back to the state to clean my throat chakra and overall innerself, and analyse my day's experience. Take care.

Oi balatkari sadhu ujl, kati dimag ko balatkar gari ra, balatkar pachi deuta bhetis ki k ho?

"आत्मा को कुनै जात हुदैन !" - It is axiomatic. I don't think we need to invoke religion, spirituality or even science in order to prove it. In absence of any evidence of existence of "आत्मा " - one can only argue, using same non-sense, that it has a caste !
However, we do know some humans are classified based on a caste system, to be specific only humans following "Hindu" religion ! Important question to ask here is not why, but how ?
Ujl you've tried to explain this and stated "There is no place for caste in Vedic Sanatan Dharma", then how come caste system evolved in this particular society? What motivated the need for such hierarchy ? If we now know this was ill-practice by some idiots in the past, why aren't we correcting it ? Is it fair to say, there is a disconnect between vedic facts and practice?
As I see it as an interesting topic - "why do we have a caste system even though our Ved and scripts doesn't state such ?", I would like learn more.

I'm not an expert nor do I have in dept knowledge on this subject matter. However I do concede that I've found Nagarjuna's description to be much more compelling.

Varieties of Self : “No-self doctrine.” Arguments against the notion of self by Dan Arnold

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