Do you tell same to your family member and relatives that Covid is hoax? Like to see proof of such conversation with your family. Tell them to go out and enjoy their time roaming without worrying about covid first. Then maybe people can weight in how certain you are about your message.

Mangale dear Sheepiest of all sheeps, please do not bother re-repeating your defense of the big pharma narrative. We've talked about it before and as I had said we have emptied our thoughts and for fear of wasting each others time, it's better to stop the same discussion. But you don't give up trying to defend the big pharma propaganda. I think you are "virtuous" too and not cowardly so now please stop!

Keyser Soze: I think you are jumping into conclusions here. I do not believe that Covid is a hoax. I believe that there is a possibility of foul play by some entity that benefits from prolonging the covid debacle. I believe there is possibility that covid is not as bad as it's made out to be. Again, I believe in the possibility and am raising questions about it. Perhaps you are 100% sure of the things that you see in the media but I am not. I do not see anything wrong with questioning these things. If you are of the opinion that these things cannot be questioned then I am afraid we have nothing else to discuss.

If you have such a great belief of Covid not being as bad media says then how about you start convincing your family first and tell them not to take any measures to protect themselves and tell them they can go about carefree as they used to do before Covid. Start from there and put that conversation proof here so we know how strongly you believe in ur theory that you would advise same to your folks. Unless u don't start same from home you just bullshitting.

Keyser Soze. I did tell my family in Nepal about my reservations. Alas, it was a phone conversation so I cannot show you any proof. But I will tell you this. My family members have a mind of their own and they ended up taking the vaccine. I have no qualms about that. Everyone is free to do what they want. I am not posting these things to convince you or anyone. Just showing you different kind of thinking. You have a right to call it bullshit. For me it's a possibility. I cannot rule it out with a clear heart. Maybe your belief in the system is higher than mine. Our beliefs end up defining who we are. I respect who you are and I hope you have the decency to do the same.

Well its good that your folks took the vaccine and can feel some sort of relief from covid. But ya if they check on you time to time do send them link and articles to show what you think about the system and covid and vaccine. And save that msg so we know your views same with everyone.

Do you guys really have to come to spill your senseless parroting of conspiratorial talking points here? Go join some right wing websites where you will meet many like minded bozos. I guess the corpses in pashupati and in open cremation grounds in India are all fake or they did not die from covid, per your beliefs.

Gwanch, I think you are jumping into conclusions here. I do not believe that Covid is a hoax. I believe that there is a possibility of foul play by some entity that benefits from prolonging the covid debacle.

All the pictures you posted at the top of this thread and use of buzz words like big pharma is nothing short of drum beating of conspiracies.
Ok so it is foul play on someone's part. So what are you suggesting that folks should do? Not take vaccine? Not wear mask? Go hug the folks who are coughing hard?

Surprisingly, most people are ok with the drum beating of propaganda from multiple sources of mainstream media representing the same medical-political complex, who profit immensely from spreading the same information as they work in collusion with the money flowing from industries to politics back to corporations.

What most people are not ok is with a handful of people who raise questions on the medical-political complex propaganda.

Reminds me of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487CRdRHEeI

If you do decide NOT to be vaccinated then supposedly you are safe so enjoy your life without trying to coerce other people into NOT getting vaccinated.

"If you do decide NOT to be vaccinated then supposedly you are safer"

That is not true. The point is you may or may not be safe with or without the vaccine. What is for sure is that the vaccine is at an experimental stage without studies of long term effects.

Your point is pretty much moot because it's the other way around -- the whole medical industrial complex is using all their media outlets to try to coerce people into getting vaccinated either by fear or guilt without taking into consideration that this is an experimental vaccine at best. On top of that there are self appointed attack dogs who are attacking people for not wanting to be vaccinated right now.

People who choose not to get vaccinated are not telling anyone not to get vaccinated. They simply do not want to be forced to be vaccinated period. They are considerate of your right to be vaccinated and appreciates that it's individual's right to agree to it or not agree to it.

When u say people to think! And then say things like vaccine will have long term effects. You are also putting fear for those who are willing to take vaccine. These are people who have lost their loved ones because of Covid and don't want to risk their own lives. If you think Pharma industry is very powerful and sole reason to hurt u then they could that in do that in many ways. They could be poisoning the food you eat or through medicine that millions take in their lifetime. It doesn't have to be through Covid vaccine only. When people are dying left what do you suggest to listen few people like yourselves who say the vaccines may have long term effect and is only experimental. And your saying truth because you have nothing to gain. Oh well people who are taking vaccines are not coward and they know exactly what they doing don't give about what you say may or may not be long term risk  

Who said they are here to hurt you? They are here to profit from you. They are encouraging 3 shots for billions of people. That's a lot of profit. The point is they want to make the profit fast without considering the long term effects.

"You are also putting fear for those who are willing to take vaccine"
Seriously? If I tell you to think before you take the medicine that has not been tested for long term effects, is that fear or caution? Specially when these meds are coming from corporations that have already paid billions of dollars fine for putting untested products in the market. Vaccines just don't get tested for long term in one year.

It seems like you have made up your mind about believing in the efficacy of the vaccine, so go ahead and do what you think is right. No hard feelings!

"And then say things like vaccine will have long term effects"
By the way I never said vaccines will have long term effects. All i said loud and clear is that they haven't been tested for long term effect. Seems like you like making up your own things. Sorry dude.

Well atleast they came up with some thing to fight Covid as world needed it and u my friend can sit back save all your money and don't spend it on anything that may end up in their pockets.

When you say loud and clear that they haven't been tested for long term effect.It is experimental stage and it comes with risk because it goes directly into the bloodstream...only means one thing!! You called it Caution or whatever you don't want them to take it.

"yourself don't like to be called anti vaxxers or QAnon"

Do you see me telling anywhere people do not take vaccine? No. I am telling people to think clearly before they take vaccine. I am not anti vaccine. I have taken a lot of vaccine in the past and I will take this one too after few years because then some long term effects will be known.

Qanon? I do not follow qanon, I really do not know what they stand for. I am just making sensible deduction from the information that you have, I have , everyone has.

Like I said earlier, you like to make your own assumptions. I am talking logic and reasonable arguments. here. If you want, I can discuss the things that bother you. But don't start calling me anti vaxxer or qanon follower just because you are good at making things up. Learn to counter with facts and statements made.