Well, I was just wondering that in the April uprising 2006 hardly any Tibetans came to support the movement.

Therefore here are some stupid Questions,
1. Now, since Nepal is a secular state, why are the Tibetans coming with their movement now?? Y didn't they join hands with us in the April movement to support us?

2. Do they deserve to do their movement?

3. Do they realize how much pain and suffering we Nepalese had to take to free our country from dominant rule and why didn't they join us?? they were merely living in their high business earned homes enjoying themselves to the fullest and laughing at our country each time someone got booted by the cops.

4. If Gyanendra still had the powers, would the Tibetan do their movement?

5. We still have many movements going on in our country. Does this Tibetan movement bring about more chakka jam and waste of government money? and waste of time ?? and waste of Nepali people who wants to keep their shops open??

WATS YOUR OPINION???

This thread is absolutely disgusting in terms of political and factual logic u have put on. First of all, what u are referring to as how much of paid and suffering we have faced to free our country is childish logic in itself. Look at all the developed countries in this world and go back to their history and dig in some info about what they have been through. This the country of the USA, like Borat said once had two lanes, one for white and one for black, that is just a simple example of suffering not what we as Nepalese are going through because of mistakes from our very untalented and inward oriented leaders, there is no reason to blame people of Nepal also reffering to people from multi ethnic background. We are so rich in our culture, diversity and everything else but just poor and long term thiking. Again, always take diversity as an opportunity not a force.

One more thing go back to Tibetan history, chinese oppression/brutality then u know how lucky we are so close to tibet but with such a less impact of instability. Sukkar karo tibetans are not musaltes like Pales, which I would credit to some extent for the whole world's instability forget the region only.

Again, do not judge me as a tibetan or even generalize me like how people are fond of doing so in sajha. I am putting on my thought only and please feel free to do so.

FREE TIBET!!!!!!!

 

Ohh WTF do u know who BORAT is??? He's a comedian.... and stop bringing u;r Borat stuffs here. You go Nepal and see who;s spoiling our culture. It's the bloody Tibetans. I know some are good but mostly bad. and don;t bring about black and whites in this topic, cause we nepalese didn;t go all the way to tibet to get tibetanss to be slave in Nepal. Tibetans are just like mexicans in US.

and btw I don;t know if u took part in the movement we had in Nepal, but I took part, I got hurt, I went daily walking about more than 30 km/day, shouting, pelting stones running away, facing the running bullets, teargas FOR F**KING 19 DAYS
and like me, there were half a million Nepalese doing the same in capital who gave their life for the movement.

chikat half the country still wants Gyanendra, you belong to other half. And where the fu*k did Tibetans come into the equation? They are guests in Nepal and will go away when they get their independence. Well how people like you who have forgotten their culture and don't wanna get reminded wither has nothing to do with it. So I guess I am waisting my words in vain.
Sorry dude.

opps are you talking from your back?  When i took a research for my thesis, 96 % of  people from about 5000 people said they didn't want the king. These people were from all backgrounds.

if they are our guest then should they be acting like this??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S85OBduHuJY

Chikat,
You have rights to question whether Tibetans have any legitimate rights to protest against Chinese in Nepal's soil. Nonetheless more than anything, you're question is rather driven by your past uncomfortable/bad/ experiences with Tibetans in Nepal than the honest political debate.

Tibetans have always protest against Chinese in Nepal since 1991 (1st democracy movement in Nepal). It 'protest' just  never made to news as it was suppressed by Chinese Govt pressure to media outlets in Nepal. With Internet you're seeing just about every little protest in news; and nobody can stop either.

Now to your question regarding April 2006 movement.
>> Tibetans have always stared cleared-off from Nepalese politics. (Our protest in Nepal was against Chinese, not Nepal). Tibetan people are always thankful to Nepal and Nepalese people.

As Royal family; almost all Tibetans are very grateful to Nepalese Royal family especially to King Mahendra & King Birendra. Both King's were asked to deport Tibetans long back by Chinese, they never did for sake of humanity and took bold steps even though Chinese Govt is among the bigger donor to Nepal. King had enough vision to understand and empathize our cause. We do not agree and will never agree with autocratic ruler. Gyanendra was worst, he was the only King who actually closed our embassy in Kathmandu temporarily. We are glad he's gone.

As for your statement regarding Tibetan people laughed went you got booted by police reads too fishy driven by personnel hatred towards Tibetan.

Even during Gyanendra's rule Tibetan did protest; simply put my people were treated badly. Only during King Mahendra and Birendra's time Tibetan did not do anything.

You still have many movements ahead; good and go ahead, apparently everything in Nepal is now "doable" with little protest here and there. But you can bet and trust that Tibetan most likely will not participate in it.

As for loss of economy and money thing you're talking about; here are my views.
 a) your talk is really cheap believe me; ...shop closing and others. for how long half hour at max, that too in Boudha and place around Chinese embassy?
 b) I can guarantee that you know nothing, "nothing" literally nothing about Nepalese economy or any contribution Tibetans have made in Nepal nor you're even ready to know/accept about Tibetans work in Nepal.

by the way, do I have any rights in Nepal to choose whether I participate in any kinds of movement or protest or do I have to ask you first and get your approvals. I am second generation Tibetan, Nepalese citizen by virtue of birth (and lot of ghuss, actually its free).

You seems tobe driven more by hatred.

and btw don;t say me that Tibs had movement in KTM from 1991 publicly. only few people went to those movement and got caught up  in jail. Even if u had a free tibet sticker in your car, you are jailed. No wonder many people have changed their name into nepali names.

and also, do u know how much money a poor nepali family earn in their shop??? It's only about 400-500 Rs per day, and from there they get only arounf 50-80 Rupees profit. Even if for an hour their shop gets closed down..they r runied.

well, if they laughed at you, that's your problem - may be ur family's problem. you should have explained them and not generalize all the tibetans. its your problem that you have failed to convince them. Regarding the rights of tibetans protesting in Nepal, it is a peacful protest until the Nepal police started beating them. they are not protesting against Nepal but China at the chinese embassy. There was no need to beat them because all they wanted was freedom of speech, religion and education. But the china is not ready to even talk about it..forget solving it. and as cincinnati boy said, thank god, that they have not been violent as they are capable of because they have at least a sense that violence leads to more violence. Otherwise there many who are ready to die. And those who are protesting, they are doing so for the ones who are still suffering in Tibet because of China. The ones who are in Nepal, India and other countries, they already have the freedom but that does not mean that they have forgotten the ones who are still in Tibet. If you think, peacefully protesting against the cruel government is wrong, then i have nothing to say.

It's not only my uncles friends..even when i told my Tib friends to come for the movement , y didn;t they come?? come on think of it on a broad view.
 btw everyone in Nepal protest the peaceful way, but there are just some places that you cannot protest due to traffic and other reasons. You see so many Nepalese getting beaten everyday on protest. That's the reason, because they cross the line of control. The Tibetan getting beaten has nothing to do with cops chasing them first. Y not let them go to india and protest, and not in a country where China is one of the biggest support. Even in india, if you  start protesting on roads that are gonna get a huge problem they will take action. btw china is a not a cruel country. Every country has some human rights violation including Nepal. China just has a huge population which makes them the greatest of em all. No Tibetians want to return back to their country even if they get freedom. They show they do right now is to make people feel sad for them so they get more benifits. Think of it in a sociologial prespective way.

I don even bother reading all ur comments Mr. Chikat. About Borat and where he came in my comment was to make fun out of some serious issues. Sad, u didn't get my joke. Janne lai Srikhanda najanna lai Khurpa ko beed, may be just pessimist side of u that saw Borat as a platform to argue with me and my comment.

Ok, also, I saw that u did ur Masters thesis and u had more than 96% or whateva whateva pps favorin King..., which I think you want us to show that those comments came from talended Master's degree holder, blah blah blah.... But hey, man ur education showed no sense of how well of a human being u have been, educated world expected something better from you, try to be logical and at least pretend like a grown up man even though from ur comments you really don seem one o'those. I wish u have had learnt how to be a better mankind then just focussing on thesis and only paper stating ur Master's degree.

Good Luck with all....

FREE TIBET!!!!!!!

One more thing Chikat, Tibet issue is a very sensitive issue for people who know it from the root, so please try to be a little more considerate on what you have to say and believe in; at least to other sajha members, who are involved in some of these issues. Again, remind you this is an online blog and I would hate to say this but some of ur comments are absolutely subjective and makes me sad how arrogant we Nepalese have always been. Hey don even say anything about my background Chettri ko choro huh, raagat umlincha chitai mero pani.

FREE TIBET!!!!!!

hey  chikat

listen  everybody  in  this  world  has  their own  human  rights  and  i  think  the  tibetans  people  are  not  doing  bad  though  they  love  nepal  too.they  are  doing  the  activities  against  the  chinese  a  communist  ruler  who  destro  their  culture  and  religion  we  have  to  respect  the  anybody  who  are  our  guest  all  right  be  cool  i  think  lots  of  nepalipeople  are  rufugee  in  usa  and  i  think  sometimes  they  protest  against  the  king  gynendra  from  US soil  so  everybody  has  right  to  do  anything  for  their  motherland 

free  tibet

Hey DUMB ASS Chikat....ure name onli sounds damn cheap...didnt want to comment but man i salute ure dumbness...u must be thinkin u hab great knowledge of politics rite! retard!!! Well congrats man u juss proved to all da ppl readin dis blog wad a dumbo u r...lol...hey why dont u upload ure video in youtube ..atleast u;ll be famous n ppl can hab a laugh too..it seems like u juss got info frm hea n there.....anyways gud try...ppl like u always hab a future in politics..anyways will be waiting for ure next blog...man u enlighten us...haha.!!!

chettris are nowhere compared to Rai/Limbu... sayad RAI ko ris dekheko chainas hola cincinati boy (name sounds gay) and btw guys don;t think  this world as just a common place, it more to do with norms and values. Also each society living on a different culture experiences cultural shock and should hence follow the norms of where they are living. And may be for those people who don;t know the true tibetans, you should experience them. See for example people living in NY...f**k these shits forgot their culture. Who are their best friends????CHINESE.

and yes Narayan the great Gopal, everyone does have their rights to protest in foreign soil, BUT AT THE RIGHT PLACE.

Chikat,
The Tibetans in Nepal have every right to protest the illegal occupation of Tibet by the Chinese government.The last time I checked Nepal still practiced freedom of speech (isn't that one of the rights you fought for in the Jana-Andolan?).
Ok suppose let's say Nepal was invaded by China and you had to flee to India. Would you sit idly while the Nepalese in occupied Nepal go through oppression and religion is not allowed to be practiced freely? Wouldn't you stand up for freedom through street protests or other means?
When you mentioned that your Tibetan friend was unwilling to participate, come on you can't expect each and every individual in Nepal to participate in the street protests.
When you mentioned that Tibetans in New York had Chinese friends, I don't see what the big deal is about that. The Tibetans are not against the Chinese people but against the government. They're not going to rant about Tibetan freedom to every Chinese person they meet. That would be absolutely wrong.
I agree with you when you say that most Tibetans currently living abroad would not be willing to go back to Tibet if independence is granted. But they are voicing their concern for the Tibetans in Tibet who are barred from carrying out such activities.

I understand that the Nepal government is under immense pressure from China to curtail such activities. But the Tibetan diaspora in Nepal have every right to carry out a peaceful demonstration.

FREE TIBET!!

I;m not saying they don't have their rights to protest in Nepal. But just recently few days ago, it was one of the biggest protest in Nepal. What made it the biggest?? It's due to the current situation where the king has lost it powers. And who made him loose his powers?? it was the people of Nepal that scarified their life. People of Nepal is still on protest for something they know will happen in future for something good, so don;t you think that this Tibetan thing is just adding more burden to our Nepali govt. Btw the Tibetans in Tibet are enjoying their life merrily, the only ones that get killed are the ones that act stupid and try to run away illegally. The china govt. spends more money to develop tibet than the govt. of Nepal does to its country as a whole. And also the China govt. does not bar away tibetians from coming back to their country or to meet someone of their family. If you have proper documents you can enter just like anyone else. And every one knows that China is not going to give Tibet back. So y the  FREE TIBET??? forget it..and live u;r life as it is!!

And Btw if china try to occupy Nepal, we Gurkha clan guys would fight and die rather than run or live like a coward...that's wats in our blood....don;t know about you guys.

I believe it was a big protest and I agree that perhaps if it wasn't for the Jana-Andolan, they wouldn't have been able to stage such a protest.
However I do not think that such protests are a burden to the Nepalese government. How many Tibetan demonstrations are there in year in Nepal ....two...three? Could be more I don't know, you may correct me if I'm wrong. And I doubt they would involve themselves in any way that would cause any adverse effects on the general public. And are they involved in any "chakkaa jams", "tod-fod", or any such violent activities.

I guess you're right when you say that the Chinese govt. is willing to allow Tibetans back to their country. But who would want to live in a country where you cannot freely practice religion, cannot mention the Dalai Lama, cannot speak against the Chinese government.And you say that the Tibetans in Tibet are "enjoying" their life? Do you get your news from the Chinese media? This is exactly what the Chinese govt. would like to portray Tibet as and I'm sorry to say that you've fallen victim to this.

You say that the Chinese govt. is developing Tibet. That I can definitely see. But at what expense? Did you know that a sixth of the population was killed and thousands of historic monasteries and temples were destroyed when the occupation began.
I have to say that the Chinese govt. is also after the natural resources present in Tibet. And why is there a mass government sponsored migration of the Hans(the major ethnic group) to the Tibetan region? The Tibetans are gradually becoming a minority in their own country.The Chinese govt. do not care about the Tibetans. They only want to exploit the resources and populate the region with the Han people.

Bro, I'm a "Gurkha clan guy". Gurkhey ko chhoro nai hu. And I don't doubt your bravery.
 

At least these Tibetans ain't asking for a part of Nepal.  Grow up fuggers before starting such a topic, stupid bigots.  Listen, Nepalis here stage protests in front of the UN all the time...hahaha  I still remember fools carrying placards saying "Gyane chor desh chod" during the controversial trip Gyane planned...hahahaha   Imagine being out of the country and asking someone else to leave the nation which you aren't in??  Hell, you're half the way around the globe!!  Damn, hypocrites!  If Nepalis can do such shit here, why can't the Tibs in Nepal????  They have every right to stage demonstrations as they are a part of our society/loktantra now.

For all you wannabe scholars about Tibet, an autonomous Tibet and a Free Tibet is a different thing altogether.  HHDL is asking for the former...People have often confused the two which basically has proven to be a hinderance to the whole proces. 

Hey Chikat,

Shame on ur Masters degree. Again u are comparing Chetris with other ethnic group from ur your country. Can someone feed some intellectual thoughts to this arrogant wannabe genius little baby?. Just back off from ur comments and think twice about what my comments means, I bet you u don't even know half of the things in details that you put out here.

About my name, I don't have any problem and I don't have any problem with ur's either even though I don't know what it means. Do you really think it's cool and unique? Do you want me to Bravo on ur name selection?

All I gotta say is think twice before making fun of urself, it's easy to defend urself when someone else is making fun of u but if it's u who is making fun of urself, u will be a topic of disgrace for all.

Again, I don understand why u have any problem with Tibetans in Nepal, or wherever they are and especially with their fight for their own rights. I thought u were one of those who took part in Jana Andolan? BTW do u even know why u were part of it for what? If u really think u know why u don have to justify ur meaningless thoughts and again make fun of yourself.

FREE TIBET!!!!!!!

Chikat,
Which China are you talking about?
China that requires their own citizens to aquire working visa to work in their metropolitan cities.
China that filters news to be published in their newspaper.
And you are saying the Chinese government lets those Tibetan who fled out to return without any questioning or torture. Remember, more  people died  in China during the hardcore communist regime  compared to the jews in the concentration camp during the WWII.
What makes you think China won't let Tibet be free country huh? Ani what is wrong with Tibetans coming to Nepal?.
Carpet factory that we feel so proud about - who do you think that art belonged to.
Dude, don't get emotional with some of your tibetan friends for not following with you on the riots and start pissing on all Tibetans.