The unwarranted and consistently brutal assaults by Nepali authorities on nuns, monks and other peaceful Tibetan demonstrators is second only to the barbarism of the Chinese. Aside from the Chinese invaders, no other country has been as brutal toward these peaceful demonstrators, seeking only to draw attention to the occupation and repression of Tibet, as Nepal has been. 

Are Nepalis such shameless panderers for the handouts from China? Have Nepalis so soon and easily forgotten their own (ongoing) struggles for franchise? 

Such eagerness not to offend the Chinese, to demonstrate Nepali subservience to the Chinese is ... PATHETIC

It's embarrasing even to the casual observer

~ may You Know ~

Nepal's reaction to this issue has become a national shame!!

I agree with you guys on what nepali police and authorities have done to the monks and all those demonstrator. But when you said peaceful demonstration and ( no other country has been as brutal toward these peaceful demonstrators). I agree wit this point too but look at the way people do it in other countries they don't burn tires , they don't stop vehicles and ask to turn around calling strikes. They don't ask shopping centers to shut down, they don't burn government vehicles. If you think for a while the way people demonstrate in nepal in the past and they way they are doing now. I think Destruction is another name for Demonstration in Nepal.

LET ME TELL YOU GUYS SOMETHING.... WHEN THE JANA ANDOLAN 2 TOOK PLACE, DID YOU GUYS CRY BABY ABOUT THE COPS??? THE COPS WERE MORE DEADLY IN JANA ANDOLAN THAN RIGHT NOW. I DIDN"T SEE EVEN ONE OF YOU GUYS ABOVE POST ABOUT THE COPS.  F**K YOU ASHOLES,  YOU GUYS ARE EITHER TIBETANS  OR F**KING  BIAS NEPALI GUYS WHO DON"T CARE ABOUT NEPAL BUT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES DIKS AND SHITS.. GET THE F**K OUT OF HERE !

AND ALSO GO AND LEARN SOME F**KING HISTORY, AND STOP BRINGING NEW THREADS WHEN THERE IS ALREADY ONE THAT IS ACTIVE AND EXISTING .

Nepal should treat the Tibetan refugees the way India treats Bhutanese refugees. If no Tibetan speaks about the brutality of India on Bhutanese refugees, then why should Nepal treat the Tibetans (most of them are responsible for crime in Kathmandu) as its respected guests? Has Mr. Dalai ever spoken against US on Iraq issue? Tibetans are hypocrites and they should be banned in Nepal.The way Nepal has handled the situation is good for Nepal. We only care for Nepal, not for Tibet.

सबै तिब्बती भगुवाहरुलाई चेतना भया?

ow many of us read Today's Editorial by The Hindu- a leading Newspaper in India?

http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/26/stories/2008032655431000.htm

It supports one China Policy and tells that Dalai Lama is just a mere puppet on the hands of western powers. Agree/disagree is upto U.

It is not only in the interest of Nepal but it seems in the interest of India and for the stability of South Asia, One China Policy suits all.

The question of Tibet

If you go by western media reports, the propaganda of the so-called ‘Tibetan government-in-exile’ in Dharamsala and the votaries of the ‘Free Tibet’ cause, or by the fulminations of Nancy Pelosi and the Hollywood glitterati, Tibet is in the throes of a mass democratic uprising against Han Chinese communist rule. Some of the more fanciful news stories, images, and opinion pieces on the ‘democratic’ potential of this uprising have been put out by leading western newspapers and television networks. The reality is that the riot that broke out in Lhasa on March 14 and claimed a confirmed toll of 22 lives involved violent, ransacking mobs, including 300 militant monks from the Drepung Monastery, who marched in tandem with a foiled ‘March to Tibet’ by groups of monks across the border in India. In Lhasa, the rioters committed murder, arson, and other acts of savagery against innocent civilians and caused huge damage to public and private property. The atrocities included dousing one man with petrol and setting him alight, beating a patrol policeman and carving out a fist-size piece of his flesh, and torching a school with 800 terrorised pupils cowering inside. Visual images and independent eyewitness accounts attest to this ugly reality, which even compelled the Dalai Lama to threaten to resign. There was violence also in Tibetan ethnic areas in the adjacent provinces of Gansu and Sichuan, which, according to official estimates, took an injury toll of more than 700. Western analyses have linked these incidents to the March 10 anniversary of the failed 1959 Tibetan uprising, non-progress in the talks between the Dalai Lama’s emissaries and Beijing, China’s human rights record, and the Beijing Olympic Games, which will of course be held as scheduled from August 8 to 24.

Recent accounts, however, express unease and sadness over the containment of the troubles, the ‘large-scale,’ if belated and politically slow, response by Beijing, and the ‘brutal ease’ with which the protests have been ‘smothered’. In another context, say Pakistan under Pervez Musharraf, such a response would have been called exemplary restraint. As evidence accumulates, the realisation dawns that it is too much to expect any legitimate government of a major country to turn the other cheek to such savagery and breakdown of public order. So there is a shift in the key demand made on China: it must ‘initiate’ a dialogue with the Dalai Lama to find a sustainable political solution in Tibet.

But this is precisely what China has done for over three decades. The framework of the political solution is there for all to see. There is not a single government in the world that either disputes the status of Tibet; or does not recognise it as a part of the People’s Republic of China; or is willing to accord any kind of legal recognition to the Dalai Lama’s ‘government-in-exile.’ This situation certainly presents a contrast to the lack of an international consensus on the legal status of Kashmir. Nevertheless, there remains a Tibet political question, represented by the ideology and politics of the Dalai Lama and the ‘independence for Tibet’ movement, and it has an international as well as a domestic dimension.

This is an era of unprecedented development for the Chinese economy, which has grown at nearly 10 per cent a year for three decades. Tibet itself is on an economic roll: it has sustained an annual growth rate of more than 12 per cent over the past six years and is now on a 13-14 per cent growth trajectory. A new politics of conciliation towards the Dalai Lama’s camp has been shaped by this era, and since 2002, six rounds of discussion have taken place between the representatives of the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government. The former have stated that the Dalai Lama’s current approach is to “look to the future as opposed to Tibet’s history to resolve its status vis-À-vis China,” and that the crux of his ‘Middle Way’ approach is to “recognise today’s reality that Tibet is part of the People’s Republic of China … and not raise the issue of separation from China in working on a mutually acceptable solution for Tibet.”

The real problem arises from two demands pressed by the Dalai Lama. The first is his concept of ‘high-level’ or ‘maximum’ autonomy in line with the ‘one country, two systems’ principle. The Chinese government points out that this is applicable only to Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan, and that the kind of autonomy that the Dalai Lama demanded in November 2005 cannot possibly be accommodated within the Chinese Constitution. Secondly, the 2.6 million Tibetans in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), which constitutes one-eighth of China’s territory, form only 40 per cent of the total population of Tibetans in China. The Chinese government makes the perfectly reasonable point that acceptance of the demand for ‘Greater Tibet’ or ‘one administrative entity’ for all 6.5 million ethnic Tibetans means breaking up Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan, and Yunnan provinces, doing ethnic re-engineering, if not ‘cleansing’, and causing enormous disruption and damage to China’s society and political system. This demand too is ruled out, as any comparable demand to break up States in India would be.

Multi-ethnic India is no stranger to such challenges to its territorial integrity: just consider the armed insurgency challenges, in some cases with external fuelling, in Jammu & Kashmir and in several parts of the North-East. Although the United Progressive Alliance government has made some statements about the Tibet incidents that hew close to the Washington line, it will be pleased that the studied official Chinese response has been to highlight India’s “clear and consistent” stand on the status of Tibet as part of the People’s Republic of China. New Delhi has allowed too much latitude to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan discontents for their political activities on Indian soil, which go against the stand that they are not allowed “to engage in anti-China political activities in India,” a principle reaffirmed by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee in Washington on March 24. The time has come for India to use the leverage that comes with hosting the Dalai Lama and his followers since 1959 to persuade or pressure him to get real about the future of Tibet — and engage in a sincere dialogue with Beijing to find a reasonable, just, and sustainable political solution within the framework of one China.

Let's talk fact!

In Nepal,

1. Who goes to Casino the most?- TIBETEN MONKS

2. Who bring gold biscuits under the Sheep's skin?- TIBETEN MONKS

3. Who is conquering all the hills of nepal for monastery?- TIBETEN MONKS

4. Where do they get money for that?- WE ALL KNOW

5. What was the Tibet's state 50 years ago? - PATHETIC - QUALITY OF LIFE

6. Why did not Dalai Lama fled then when tibet needed him the most?- As USAUL he cares him the most not the tibeten.

7. FINALLY, Nepal including India, adopted one CHINA policy a long ago, during 1950. If they are controlled  by our force, there is nothing to be shame about it. They are not as holy as you people think. And our government policy with CHINA can not be changed just because of one backed up political coward, DALAI LAMA.

 

 

I  totally agree with Eagle5.

I do not know rest of the thing buy I strongly agree with Eagle's point no. 7 to certain extent.

7. FINALLY, Nepal including India, adopted one CHINA policy a long ago, during 1950. And our government policy with CHINA can not be changed now.

I also think that it is futile to consider an independent Tibet now. However, chinese can certainly give more autonomy to tibetans.

So many haters are here...its disgusting to read these cruel comments towards tibetan and esp His holiness dalai lama. Be mindful before u open ur disgusting  mouth that , there are many buddhist followers like myself who revere His holiness dalai lama. Nepali has not sold their soul  to devil  fake communist yet, we still retain our conscious of humanity despite of political differences.

Everybody has right to put on their own opinions but few of users are on constant ranting like a unleashed mad dog by CCP  spamming propaganda instead of constructive discussions. What makes me wonder why so much hatred towards his holinesss? I DONT KNOW ANYONE hates that much extend besides CCP CHINA. 

thank you!

ps. hope the sajha administration will take a look on some of the threads where some users have abused the law and regulations of sajha  using dehumanizing and horrible language toward his holiness. Remind! there are many buddhist followers in Nepal and it it offensive to all buddhist followers like me, who considers him as one of the great Guru. Since sajha is a platform built to bring communities of Nepal together, these threads are serious threat to create religious rift among us.

Nepal is crumbling down to the ground. Those days of "we live in peace-Hindu and Buddhist" are over. It's kill or be killed society now. Hatred toward Buddhist comes for the fact that these days there are more Gompas in KTM than temples, and they're lavishly rich. They started popping out everywhere beginning of the era when most of the Nepali Buddhist migrated to the West. Even after knowing those Gompas are constructed by the money collect from the poor immigrant living in the US, and they know these are mostly Nepali, they still label it Tibetans. Simply jealous!.What can you expect from a government and a society who cannot even accept the fact those Bhutanese refugee are Nepali too.

Some kids are raised with negativism all their life by none other than their own parents whom they worship and respect, all the while they're breeding a society of  hatred, stereotype, racist, division and misinformation that will lead to more problem in the future.

F##k with the Tibetans and Dalai Lama, I really don't care even though I'm Buddhist by religion. I'm a Nepal first and we've our own internal problem which needs more attention. But with the Tibetans protest, it has revealed the inner truth among us. We're ready to stab each other on the back at the drop of a dime. Be careful ! I'll kill you with no remorse. Non Violence-my ass.

I regret if i happened to hurt your religious feeling! But as you are free to revere some body other's are also free to critique. And in a 21st century we need to learn this too. As i consider buddhism " more as a living philosophy" than a religion I still wonder how mr. lama's contribution to the general tibeten justify this philosophy.  " Budhha left his throne for betterment of human kind" Can't we see a contrary situation here?

The other side of the world has every right to see him more as a poltician than a holy preacher. One can argue on either side, but the reality is Tibet, has now become a center of world politics and it is more of a politcs than anything else.

We should not forget how important for us to have good relationship with China, irrespective of thier political system. So, if you think we are nepali, and we should be together then we should first consider our national goals rather than focusing on individual regligious belief. And if one believes that tibet is better off with the feudal monastic culture, then I think tibetn themself will revolt against that. Because they also have skin as we do.

 

If U are true buddhist, U should not be worrying about country and land, U better concentrate on reducing human pain and try for "Nirvana". We might not have sold our heart to Communist, but many tibetans have sold themselves to the western capitalists. It's sounds very ironical to claim to be buddhists-peaceful but to start vandalising other's property just because they have different cultures.

Best Solution is Milera Bachau, Sabai Tibetan Tibet jau and be Chinese Citizen enjoying economic prosperity of China.

N may be u Tibetans believe in Theory of Karma right, Why cant u be satisfied with what is happening with u coz only ur Karmas of past has brought u in this situation.

Eagle5

1. Who goes to Casino the most?- TIBETEN MONKS

2. Who bring gold biscuits under the Sheep's skin?- TIBETEN MONKS

4. Where do they get money for that?- WE ALL KNOW

That's not critiquing, it's stereotype which you got from your inbred blood.. I don't blame all the Bahuns(no offense) because of Girija considering the fact he has done more harm to your country than all the "Tibetans (which includes Nepali too in your case)" combined. I don't....that's the difference between your upbring and mine.

I'm not going to argue anymore, you do what you like, anyway that's Nepali style.

Let there be NO PEACE.

yeah!! Tibetans go back to your country and shout..... If India don't accept our Nepali brothers as Bhutanese Refugee's..

Tibetan's can kiss nepali arse too...... we consider u illegal in nepal and therefore you will be handed over to the chinese people. or sent back to India.

yes we will do what china wants, it is bigger and stronger and it helps us. What the hell do we care about tibet??? gimme one reason besides humanity to support tibetans cause. As a nation, tibet for us is a province of china, same as sikkim is a province of india.

manang gal.. u need to go back to tibet, if you are nepali(buddist) do what is good for nepal not what is good for Bhote's from Bhot. They have Dhoti's as buddies who will care for them.

Rewire dwag, you know what the truth is, how come monks go to casino's. Isn't it against Buddism to gamble???

One last thing, if you want to demonstrate do it peacefully, if you act like you are a nepali than you will be sent to Tibet cause you are not nepali and you can't do thodfod in nepali soil, unless you are it's citizen. This is how nepal works. Get nepali greencard and you can burn nepal to the ground and you will be revered more than your Dalai lama, you will be above prachanda.

this could be a plausible solution; rather than bickering and pointing fingers.................

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Tibet: try the Hong Kong solution

China invented the idea of two systems in one country. It worked brilliantly. It can again

By Malcolm Rifkind

It is easy to get depressed about the trauma of Tibet and the suppression of Tibetan cultural and political aspirations. It is, after all, almost half a century since the Dalai Lama fled his country. He has never been able to return and recent events make it highly unlikely that he will in the foreseeable future.

An autonomous, self-governing Tibet within China should not be that difficult for the Chinese to accept. The Dalai Lama has made it clear that he is not seeking independence and, while that will disappoint many of his followers, the vast majority would accept his authority and be delighted and relieved if some genuine self-government was to be introduced.

Over that half century the Soviet Union has collapsed into 15 independent states, apartheid has been defeated in South Africa, colonial empires have disappeared, and the United States could be about to elect its first black president. But Tibet and the Tibetans remain under the iron hand of Beijing, denied not just self-government but also the free expression of their unique cultural and religious identity.

Pessimism about the future may seem inevitable but it need not be. A solution is already available that would not only meet Tibetan aspirations but would do so in a way that should be acceptable to China.

China is the country that invented the concept of two systems in one country. It did so in order to absorb Hong Kong back into the motherland without killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. It was the inspiration of Deng Xiaoping and it has been brilliantly successful.

Instead of insisting that the Hong Kong Chinese had to accept a communist economic system combined with political uniformity, the people of Hong Kong have been able to continue to live as a Western, capitalist enclave within the Chinese body politic.

Although there are clear limits to its freedom and democratic rights, Hong Kong enjoys real autonomy, a functioning rule of law and a liberal press and media that have no equivalent in most of China.

Similar freedoms have been conceded to the former Portuguese colony of Macao. Nor is there any doubt that the Chinese Government would be delighted to conclude a similar arrangement with the Taiwanese if the latter could be persuaded to accept reunification with mainland China in the years to come.

If China is, therefore, able to live with genuine autonomy and cultural freedom in Hong Kong and Macao, and if it would be only too happy to concede it to Taiwan, why can a similar offer not be made to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people?

The answer is that, until now, the Chinese have not considered it to be necessary. They have assumed that they could make the Dalai Lama a non-person, gradually forgotten by his fellow Tibetans. They have hoped that a substantial and growing migration of Han Chinese into Tibet would transform the demographic composition of the territory and make the Tibetans an ethnic minority in their own land.

China now has to acknowledge that these objectives have totally failed. Far from marginalising the Dalai Lama, they have seen him transformed into an Asian Nelson Mandela, fêted around the world and revered by his people as a symbol as well as a leader.

Young Tibetans have become radicalised as people do in the modern world wherever the denial of freedom is seen as being combined with foreign occupation. Tibet looks likely to become a cause célèbre for protest movements around the world and public opinion in the West wants their leaders to do what they can to help the Tibetan cause.

An autonomous, self-governing Tibet within China should not be that difficult for the Chinese to accept. The Dalai Lama has made it clear that he is not seeking independence and, while that will disappoint many of his followers, the vast majority would accept his authority and be delighted and relieved if some genuine self-government was to be introduced.

The Chinese, for their part, would find that their reputation in the world as a whole was transformed. At present they appear, and behave, as if they were the world's last colonial empire. The internet and the mobile phone have made it impossible for them to seal off Tibet from the outside world. Increased repression or political and cultural reform are the only choices left available to them and the price they would pay if they opt for repression will be high and will grow.

We should not be naive. Whatever the price, the Chinese would be willing to pay it if they saw Tibet breaking away from China and becoming a separate state. That will not be even a distant possibility unless and until China itself embraces democratic reform.

But a Tibetan province with cultural freedom and a significant degree of political autonomy would be no more than is already enjoyed by Hong Kong and Macao. It would be a Chinese solution to a Chinese problem and all the better for it.

The Chinese are planning that the Olympic torch should, in the run-up to the Olympic Games, be carried through Tibet on its way to Beijing. In current circumstances that would constitute a shameful betrayal of the Olympic ideal.

But if the Chinese Government means what it says when it offers a dialogue with the Dalai Lama in exchange for a renunciation of independence and violence, there could be a transformation in the current poisonous atmosphere.

A serious offer of political and cultural reform would not only delight the Tibetans and impress the world, it would also make the Beijing Olympics a unique opportunity to welcome the new China to its rightful place in the pantheon of nations.

TIBET CAN NEVER BE HONG KONG...WAT DOES TIBET HAVE?? EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE RAW MATERIALS FROM THEIR GROUND AND THE SECENARY OF HIMALAYAS THAT MOSTLY LIE IN NEPAL. THESE TIBETANS SHOULD KNOW THAT DALAI BIN LADEN WAS GIVEN THE MEDAL IN US FOR BEING A PEACEFUL PERSON, NOT FIGHTING FOR FREE TIBET AND CONTROLING HIS MAJORITY OF TIBETAN MEMBERS FROM NOT DOING IT..... I DID HOWEVER ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT HE WAS THE RIGHT PERSON TO RECEIVE IT AT THAT TIME. BUT NOW I SEE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY POWER IN CONTROLLING THE TIBETAN PEOPLE AND THIS PROVE HE IS FAKE AND THE TIBETAN PEOPEL ARE BULL SHITS. WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME YOU WILL SEE DALAI BIN LADEN GETTING AN HONOUR OR A MEDAL? NEVER..!!
JAI NEPAL

Nepal cannot and should not change it's China policy in favor of independent Tibet. But our stupid police need to learn how to handle peaceful demonstrators without using brutal force. There is no need to be heavy handed to manage few hundred protesters. Poor Tibetans got caught into the weak mindset of our rulers who wanted to please Chinese officials by using unnecessary force to show  that they are seriously loyal to the big brother.

Inhumane is inhumane no matter who suffers. You don't have to be only Nepali to be treated humanely by Nepal police. Beaten to bleeding hurts the Tibetans as much as it hurts you. Imagine you being badly beaten and come back with the same venom as you have been spitting at innocent Tibetans. The Tibetans got their independence, sovereignty, culture, religion, identity robbed by the Chinese and nothing is important than that for a human being. Who would we cry at if India invaded Nepal? They are weaker doesn't mean we have to hit them as hard as we can to show that we have our own country.

I am as Nepali as any heartless mofo in here. And I bet I have done more good for my country than most of you idiots. Jai Nepal.

Y don;t you guys just accept the fact that TIBET IS NEVER GOING TO BE FREE. and all you people here who are crying that the COPS beat Tibetans are bullshit. When the jana andolan took place did you guys start so much thread and said the cops were wrong in doing this and that??? Wat about the recent riot by neplese people and those madeshis that are getting killed by the cops?? DID you guys cry about it???

You guys are either Tibetans who's starting this thread or some sick guys who don't even care for their own country but about others. AND REMEBER TIBET IS NEVER GOING TO BE FREE CAUSE IT ALWAYS BELONGED TO CHINA FROM THE BIRTH TIME OF BUDDHA. ......SILK ROUTES....
JAI NEPAL!!