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I am so compelled to paste this comments of one of the commentator of this mysansar threads by the name of bipin.
http://www.mysansar.com/archives/2012/05/id/26078
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आदिबासी, जनजाती, संघियता, धर्म निरिपेक्षता यी सब बकबास हुन्, राजा महेन्द्र ले लागु गरेको ५ बिकाश क्षेत्र को अबधाराना सबै भन्दा उन्नत हो र यी बिकाश क्षेत्र लाइ जिविस जस्तो स्थानीय सरकार को अबधाराना मा अलि बढी अधिकार दिएर स्वायत्तता प्रधान गर्नु पर्दछ जसले स्थानीय समस्या समाधान गर्न सकोस र स्थानीय आबश्यकता को आधार मा नीति र योजना तर्जुमा गर्न सकोस. आज पंचायत लागु भएको झन्डै ५३ बर्ष पछी अनुभव भैरहेको छ कि राजा महानेद्र कति दुरदर्शी थिए भनेर.
१) आज २०६९ साल मा त बहुदलीय ब्यबस्ता को उपयोग गर्न नसक्ने नेपाली राजनीति र आफ्नो अधिकार र कर्तब्य को बोध नभएको नेपाली जनता २०१७ साल मा कस्तो थियो होला?
२)६९ साल को नेपाल मा त लाज पचेर भ्रस्टचार हुन्छ, हारेका हरु नाताबाद, को आधार मा र इंडिया को चाकडी मा प्रधानमन्त्री र मन्त्रीहरु हुन्छन भने २०१७ साल मा कस्तो थियो होला यो अबस्था?
३) आज शिक्षित समुदाय, मिडिया को खबरदारी हुदा त पार्टी हरु को नाम मा अपराध हुन्छ र अपराधी ले उन्मुक्ति पाउदछ भने २०१७ साल को अबस्था मा अझ त्यो पनि आफु ले २/३ पाएको, जनता अशिक्षित, प्रतिपक्ष सबल नभएको, मिडिया को उपस्थिति नगन्य भएको अबस्था मा कस्तो थियो होला सत्ता रुढ पार्टी को दादागिरी?
४) नेपाली जनता को चेतनास्तर को स्वतन्त्रता पंचायत ले पनि प्रदान गरेको थियो. तिन तह को निर्बाचित अंग, प्रत्यक्ष निर्बाचित ब्यबस्था नेपाली माटो सुहाउदो थियो.
५) आज कांग्रेस/एमाले/ माओबादी/मधेशबादी पार्टी हरु ले उठाएको जस्तो सुकै अपराधी लाइ पनि ति समर्थक जनता ले निशंकोच आफ्नो पार्टी को उमेद्वार( वा व्यक्ति होइन पार्टी लाइ जिताउने हो) भनेर भोट हाल्न पर्ने बाध्यता छ तर तेस्को बिपरित कुन व्यक्ति ठिक हो र कुन बेठिक हो भनेर छान्न पाउने परम्परा पंचायत ले बिकसित गरेको थियो.
६) पंचायत मा सधै मन्त्रि भैरहेका हरु, जर्नेल कर्नेल हरु लाइ पनि जेल हालिएको थियो भ्रस्टचार को मामिला मा भने प्रजातन्त्र मा?
७) हो पंचायत कल मा राजपरिवार कानुन भन्दा माथि थियो तर आज? सिटौला, सुजाता, रुबेल चौधरी, गच्छेदार, खड्के , बिद्या,प्रचंडे,माकुने, धमला, चरी, मनांगे,बाघे लामा कानुन भन्दा माथि छैनन्?
८) शान्ति सुरक्षा र स्थायित्व को बारे मा कसैले तुलना गर्न पर्ला पंचायत र आज को अबस्था मा?
९) भारतीय हस्तक्षेप को यो नाङ्गो रुप थियो पंचायत मा?
१०) पंचायत कालिन कुटनीति ले गर्दा ११३ देश ले मान्यता दिएको थियो नेपाल लाइ बिश्व मा शान्ति क्षेत्र भनेर, यो एउटा अन्तरास्ट्रिय उपलब्धि होइन नेपाल को छवी संसार मा उठाउने? एसको बदला मा अन्तरास्ट्रिय स्तर मा नेपाल को छवी आज कहाँ छ?
११)५७ साल सम्म एसियाली मापदण्ड मा नेपाल लाइ पुर्याउने भनेर पंचायत ले एउटा लक्ष्य कोरेको थियो, पंचायत भैरहेको भए त्यो सम्भव थियो, छ बहुदल्बादी हरु मा एस्तो कुनै लक्ष्य?
१२) बिकास को चरनबद्द योजना पंचाबर्शीय योजना को अबधाराना कसले ल्याएको हो? छ आज को नेता मा त्यो दुरदर्शिता?
१३) आज को नेपाल को औला मा गन्न सकिने बिकाश को पुर्बधार पुर्ब पश्चिम राज्मग्र, मर्स्यान्ग्दी जलबिधुत, देबिघट, त्रिशुली, बिधुत कुलेखानी,जनकपुर चुरोट कारखाना, अरनिको राजमार्ग, पृथ्वी राजमार्ग लगाएत कांग्रेस ले बेचेको १९ वटा उधोय्ग लगाएत क अनगिन्ती उधोग धन्दा पंचायत को उपलब्धि होइन?३० बर्ष को पंचायत ले एती गर्यो भने २४ बर्ष को बहुदल ले के गर्यो एसको तुलनामा?
१४) शित युद्द को समय मा सोभियत संघ संग पनि र अमेरिका संग पनि, ६२ को युद्द पछी चीन संग र इंडिया संग पनि समदुरी मा रहेर सम्बन्ध राख्न सक्नु र यी सबै देश लाइ नेपाल मा सहयोग गर्न मा प्रतिस्पर्धा गराइदिनु राजा महेन्द्र को सफल कुटनीतिक क्षमता होइन?
१५) शित युद्द को बिगबिगी मा असग्लाग्न समुह को सस्थापक सदस्य बनेर नेपाल ले अन्तरास्ट्रिय क्षेत्र मा आफ्नो क्षमता को परिचय दिएको होइन? नेपाल तेती खेर को बिकसित रास्ट्र युगोल्सभिया, इन्डोनेसिया र क्युबा जस्तो संसार कै केन्द्रबिन्दु भनेको रास्ट्र को लहर मा काध मा काध जोडेर उभिएको होइन र असग्लाग्न समुह को निर्माण मा? यो दुरदर्शिता को १/१००० अंश आज को खाते नेता मा छ?
हामि सधै जित्ने को गित गाउछु तर पंचायत र महेन्द्र नेपाल का आदर्श हुन्. राजा को सक्रिय उपस्थित मा पंचायत ब्यबस्था को कारण ले इन्डिया ले नेपाल मा हस्तक्षेप गर्न सकेका थिएअनन्. बरु नेपाली जनता संग सम्झौता गर्दछु इंडिया संग होइन भन्दा नेपाल ले नाकाबन्दि खप्न पारेक थियो तर पनि राजा बिरेन्द्र झुकेनन्, तर आज नेपाल चलाउने खाते नेता हरु भारतीय राजदुत ले पाध्यो भने पनि डराउछन र उसले एक चोटी खोक्यो भने औषधि लिएर लैनचौर पुग्दछन चाकडी गर्न. तेसै भएर पंचायत फाल्न इंडिया अघि सरेको हो. राजा एउटा एकता क सुत्रधार थिए जसले पाचथर को लिम्बु वा कैलाली को थारु, झापा को राजबंशी वा हुम्ला को लामा, यिनी हरु लाइ रास्ट्रिय एकता मा बाध्ने काम गरेका थिए, आज राजतन्त्र गए को केहि बर्ष मा नेपाल को अस्तित्व सिद्दिदै छ. आज नेपाली भन्ने कोहि छैनन्, छन् भने कांग्रेस, एमाले, माओबादी…… अनि तेस्ले नपुगेर राइ, लिम्बु, मधिशे,नेवार……………. अनि खोइ त नेपाली? रास्त्रियत को यो भन्दा क्षति अरु के हुन् सक्दछ? तेसकारण पंचायत पुनर्स्थापना को लागि आन्दोलन गरौ नेपाली हो, नेपाली भएर बाच्ने हो भने.
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Posted on 05-21-12 7:32
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very well said couldnt agree more!!
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if you are a real Nepali. The you must agree what he said. Panchayt system was not bad for people of Nepal Where as it was bad for ambitious people so called oppurtunist as today leaders. Still you guys are blind.What happening in Nepal now these days we never expect from these [Disallowed String for - No bad mouthing]cker leaders.
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just like little knowledge is dangerous to a person, a country with little(in terms of population %) educated people is dangerous to that nation in a system like democracy. to top if off, never in the history of our nation have we seen the kind of brain drain that has been going on for the last 20 years. as a result, we have a majority population that is poor and uneducated that don't even realize the "nango naach" in the middle of the day democratic parties and politicians are performing.
democracy failed in nepal and has now brought the country on the verge of catastrophe.
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time to bring back the KING. its bout time to forget what he did for himself, its now time to realise that the royal family loves communism, but they are the only saviour of country right now.
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Royal Family was true caretaker of our country, they know about there country and people. Not like these leaders who think about only thier family and relatives.
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अहिले को दुर्दशा हेर्दा त मण्डले राज्य नै निको जस्तो लाग्छ तर के गर्नु...महेन्द्र राम्रो र बाठो राजा थिए भन्दैमा ज्ञानेन्द्रलाइ बाठो राजा भन्न मिल्दैन. अब महेन्द्र को गुण हेरेर पारस र ज्ञानेन्द्र पनि तेस्तै होलान भन्ने ठाउँ छैन. महेन्द्र देशभक्त थिए, पारस र ज्ञानेन्द्र ले पाए भने देश नै आफ्नो नाम मा गर्छन अनि जनता चै माग्ने को माग्ने.
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The kings starting with Prithivi Narayan Shah understood one thing very clearly from day one....the kingdom they were able to conquer was solely the result of ethnically divided tiny nations. The kings knew only way to rule one of the most diverse part of the world was by promoting peace and ethnic harmony. So they had a vested interest in keeping Nepal peaceful and united. Today with so many political parties and leaders, everyone want a piece of their pie and the only way to ensure that is by dividing Nepal in the name of ethnic federalism.
This begs the question: if the then tiny ethnically divided nations was able to capture by Prithivi Narayan Shah, who is going to capture future's ethnically divided Nepal once again?
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Dreaming Panchayat is like returning communism in Russia and East Europe, it is like making another wall between east and west Germany. Common guys, try to be in present, not in past, Panchayat is past of Nepal, it would never come back, and dreaming to come back King again is like making dead man alive. Sorry guys, I am not agreed with the above statements. 
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Timer bro, I did not get it, you do not agree with the " facts" presented there? or just do not agree going back? I do not think above statements implies that we need to go back, rather it states we need the system that suits our context ; and system not influenced or controlled by foreign powers. Btw, I do not know if you had experienced the panchayat era , just curious of your age though!! If you were too young then..ask those who were little adult in panchayat period!!
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I understand emotions run high when nation’s sovereignty is at stake and agreed the political scenario in Nepal is at its worst ever since the country’s consolidation and inception. But I ask myself if resorting back to Panchayat, or monarchy will be a viable solution in the long run. Monarchy had its own demons that we all now fail to admit. If we ponder through the years before democracy, Nepal was a peaceful nation just because we all found peace in subservience. Could Birendra have made a better Nepal at this moment if he were still alive? No doubt about it. But then it raises a question about an individual’s right and freedom. Also I challenge myself by asking if we choose to live in servitude than dodge a pelted stone every now and then , and the answer, given the current condition, might not be the latter. But maybe over hundred years things will change. We will be able to educate everyone in rural Nepal about the repercussions of believing in demagogues, or how they were beguiled and how to counter debauchery, something we couldn’t ever have dreamt about doing during monarchy because those who were close to palaces were beyond censure. Also, maybe we will then be able to decentralize Nepal and focus on every single villages outside valley in terms of education, resources, and opportunities – something that Shah regime failed to do and the current democracy has not even attempted. And THIS led to such chaos.
I might be whistling Dixie – I know. But every great nation’s path to splendor has started from a democratic form of government, especially capitalism (I might sound a little biased here, so my apologies). I wonder how I’d feel if a white supremacist wants to go back to the era of gun happy cowboys just because African Americans in the street of Detroit are running amok.
As I say this, I want to highlight that I do not have any political agenda in replying to this thread. I was born during the panchayat era, had never been taunted by the king and his allies and have no personal reason whatsoever. I just believe in the right form of government, even though our current leaders have failed us miserably.
If someone wishes to reply to my post, I humbly request him/her to reply without being belligerent. We all are mature individuals aren’t we?
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behoov bro!!
I too not related to any royals nor they contributed in any form for my current success or failure, nor I was ever enticed to any political ideology ever except 2046 where I too stood up for then touted " Democracy". But reality is little different, as I started understanding of goepolitical situation, I felt more than king, under the guise of lofty rhetoric, so called democratic parties failed us. It is not the issue of going back or not, it is more about whether we want to remain in state of denial or accept the reality. Reality is 30 years of panchayat era interms of everything was far better and it takes real guts to accept that. Yes democracy sounds better, but it too has many forms, monarchy sounds feuda, but country was unite back then!! this is not about getting ideal condition it is about getting real, rational and pragmatic!! your assertion that our suffering will yeild development in 100 years is completely misleading because we are in 21st century not in 17th!! and you can not keep experimenting the peoples life and entire generation!! world is increasingly getting flat!! so understand the difference!!!!
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Shantipriya,
I respect your views whether or not you respect mine. We all have our opinion and we choose to live by it regardless of what others believe. If I were to propose a pragmatic resolution to the current crisis, I would have taken the next flight back to Nepal. That said, we all live in our own theoretical mindset and put forth our ideas per the best of our cognitive ability. In short, we call it playing devil’s advocate, and this is exactly what we all are doing here. Because quite honestly, if there was a little selflessness left in us, even in a minuscule form, harping in sajha would have been the last thing we would have done. Therefore both our arguments are meaningless unless one of us really steps up and changes something. Also, I am not here to mislead because I am not enforcing my beliefs on anyone. Are you? All I think is sometimes the transition from one system to another takes a little too long, revolution doesn’t happen overnight, or even in few decades.
I choose to refrain using words like misleading or replying with hidden sarcasm because I am not debating.
Again, I reiterate I just have an opinion, just like you have yours. Don’t you think?
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Oho Shantipriya sir,
pahile ta welcome back hai... yaha ko absence ma sajha ma noon napugeko ho ki soon napugeko ho jasto kasto kasto bhai raheko thiyo....
ye bhane pachi sir ko ajhai pani panchayati byabastha nai ramro thiyo bhanera gangan garne baani gayeko chaina...
la baba thiyo ni ta thiyo panchayati byabastha bhyanker ramro thiyo...! bhayo aba? chitta bujhyo?
aba tespachi ke garne tyo pani bhannus na ta sir... Paras au desh bachau bhanera nara lagauna jau? 
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GT bro sir, in this last year, I was in Nepal several times to start up small organization what will be perhaps in Tamsaling area. Not being tamang I hope I won't be kicked out. i can not be narcist more than that.
Regarding panchayat, well 2046 I was there in street protesting it expecting things will be better after that. did it really happen? the answer is simple NO.
I am not saying panchayat is or monarchy is the only way forward, my intention is to objectively (bastavik ra bastugat) analyse the development patterns during pre-panchayat era or post-democracy era that is it. So I find King Mahendra's rule ( not perhaps Birendra's rule) during panchayat was far better-
1) nepal got UN regognition while sikkim was swallowed by friendly neighbor.
2) patan /balaju industrial area established during that period.
3) janak pur ciggrette factroy, himal cement, hetaunda cement, bhrikuti paper milss, bansbari chalajutta and many more industruies were established, later most of these privatised or closed after 46. Can you say these are not the fact.
4) when was east west highway built?
5) when was royal nepal academy was established to promote nepali art and culture?
6) laxmi prasad devekota then education minister acquired land in kirtipur for TU so that poor kids from all around the country could study-what is happening now?..well bro list goes on...yes panchayat was certainly not good for handful politicians but for the poor people/working people that period was far better. you take it or leave it it is upto you. btw, dr. brb would not have been dr. if he had not got colombo plan to study architecture, can you imagine how the scholarships are being distrubuted now???
GT bro, tapain jasto manche le aba bhako kuralai bhako ra nabako kuralai nabako bhanna chitta dukhaunu parne karan chaina. aba agami din ma k garda upyukta hune thiyo bhanne sandarvama chain bhanne ho bhane hami nepali haru " khali yeso nagaridiye hunthyo bhanne " ek dam dayaniya awastha ma chau. yo ek barsako anuvav le malai tyehi sikayo. jastai " hami k nabhaidiye hunthyo bhanne chahancham ta?"-
1) jatiye rajya nabhaye hunthyo
2) nepal banda nabhaide hunthyo
3) apaharn asanti nahbaidye hunthyo
4) load shedding nabhaidye hunthyo..and list goes on.. aba agadi badne upaya ta sayad aile ko awastha bata mukti paauna kunai prabav sali neta le rajneta banne aant gari here yesto jatiyeta sanghitya le bimanasya leramcha, griya yuddha huncha ra des khattam huncha tasartha desh ma bhayeka sabai milera janu parcha bhanne abibyakti diyera yeuta dui pana ko bhaye ni sambhidan banai deshlai yo awastha bata paar lagauna saknu parcha..tara tyo hune wala cha ta?
GT bro, yeuta kura panchayt ramro bhanera mainle tyesko prasansa garna matra chaeko hoina prajatantra desh ma kasari asafal bho tyo pato pani pidabodh sahit ujagar garna chaheko ho. rajya byabastha bhaneko desh sapechya hunuparcha nirepechya hoina chahe tyo panchayet hos wa bahudal..ra yo revolution le sabai chij thik garcha ra evolution ma ma biswas gardina bhanne manisharuko tarka sanga ma ratti bhar pani biswas gardina ra arko kura aile ko yo sankraman kalko pida le 50 barsa wa 100 barsa pachi desh le naya chulu hasil garcha bhanera singo yeuta generation lai bali chadhauna tyar adim kalin soch lai pani samarthan garna sakdina..aja biswo 21aun satabdima cha..tara hami?
..tara aajkal ali dherai byestataka karan le yehan tyeti samaya bitauna asamartha chu!! feri bhetamla...malai aaunda din ma tapai jasta mitra ko sahyog ko khancho paryo bhane byektigat rupma samparka garne prayas garne chu..tapainko jai hos
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SAP Dude
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Posted on 05-23-12 11:35
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When you compare 30 years of Panchayat with 24 years of Bahudaal, I have to say Panchayat was definety better than Bahudal. During panchayat people were Ruling Class's beetches but at least they were safe. Granted that Paras and Dipendra were above the constitution and Nepal Army could go beat up the whole village on Paras's direction but people were safe from each other.
But, a big but is that just becasue Mahendra was able to rule successfully becasue he was a capable King does not mean that Gyanendra or Paras is of same caliber. Most of these Rajabadis just want to cash in Prithivi Narayan and Mahendra's fame for Gyane and Paras who have proven to be worse than political party dickheads.
Ho ahile ko rajya bhanda ta Mandale rajya nai better thiyo....aba k garne ta? aja ko modern sansar ma mandale rajya pheri possible chaina. Aba mandale rajya ko kalpana garnu " uhile bau ko palaama" bhane jastai ho. Hamro bau ko paalaa ma yesto hunthiyo re bhanyo basyo tetti ho.
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Posted on 05-23-12 2:57
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It depends on your perception, you may see it half full or half empty.
We can not deny about the securit like in Iraq, did Iraqi people missed Mr. Hussain rulings?
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Posted on 05-24-12 1:19
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Panchayat system
1) One hetauda kapada
2) Two cement factories
3) Sajha Bus
4) Char Jaat Chattis barna
5) 10000 Ranas and Shahs are rich, rest Nepali is poor
6) No informaiton system, nothing, it is dark history of Nepal, one of the worst time of Nepalese history
7) Dipendra, Paras, Army can kill anyone anytime
8) Only High class people go USA or outside ( in general)
9) Panchayat era and before is completely darkness, no light, so don't remember that time.
9) etc
Now, after democracy
1) 10000 corrupt politicians
2) Gap between government and private school (Extremely bad but something good too)
3) Information system something good ( but it is just a very slow start)
4) Transportation from private sector (but can't say it is good or bad)
5) 100 jat and 1000 barna, they are conscious now and trying get some right (might be good if it is handled well and can be disastrous if handled bad)
6) Opportunity to every caste, jat and barna in country
7) Most corrupt nation and starting to put some of corrupt people in prison
8) Democracy had given chance to fight and kill each other, it is hell and but no choice (Army and Maoist kill each other, Maoist killed people, army killed Maoist), it is an oppertunity of democracy
9) People like me struggling in road of USA, without any future but it is my choice to come here and people like me are in USA (at least medium class can come USA)
10) Information systems let every Nepali going outside to study and they will never return to their country ( it is curse of democracy or might be good)
11) While getting amrit, there is always bis too, now we are getting bis of democracy, very small part is amrit, that is why it is amrit.
11) Wait and see, pray for good
12) Everyone who is shouting in USA doesn't want change, they want change the way it is but if it right way, we would have been rich before, so either fight for finish or do something different, don't compare USA to Nepal
13) After democracy, we are most depressed in history but we know what is depression if we are concious, in Pachayat we don't know we were in depression
15) It was too late to fight for democracy, if we had democracy at least 70 years, one generation had already seen this Nepal, this currption and now either we would have become something better than now or we would like one of the African Nation figting each other, but because of Panchayat and Rana, our conciousness level had been blind and now at this 21st century, now we are fighting like ancient people.
17) So let them fight in the name of caste, right, in the name of democracy, let them fight for women right, man right, bahun chettri, magar, let them fight for anything, for good, for bad, for poor, for rich, let them fight.
18) The answer is there is nowhere to go, there is nothing to get, finally if nation is rich, they don't need to fight, now there is no one to come and save, yes it really complex but we have find answer from this complex mechanism, there is no choice, let them fight
Will continue
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Posted on 05-24-12 7:35
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Doukwashi for Nepali ppl is like Bander ko haat ma Nariwal. They don't know what to do with it. It has been 21 yrs and the country is still stuck where its was from day 1.
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सरकार चलाउने र संबिधान बनाउने नेता सभासद भनाउदाहरु आफ्नो नाम लेख्न त जान्दैनन्: अस्ति SLC मा सभासदहरुले अरुलाई आफ्नो जाच दिन लगाको त समाचारमा पढेकै हो नि! बरु भालुले पुराण कण्ठ पार्ला, तर यी गवाँरहरुले देशलाई राम्रो हुनी काम चाहीं कहिल्यै गर्दैनन्
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