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 Vote for Hillary for President not Bernie 2016

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Posted on 01-27-16 12:33 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Who's your next president 2016?
 
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We've known Hillary for long time, her charity works towards numerous other humanitarian issues etc.
1. She gave and delivered a kickass commencement speech at Wellesley College in 1969.
2. She was one of 27 women who graduated from Yale Law School in 1973, out of a class of 235.
3. She was the only woman on the Nixon impeachment investigation team.
4. She cofounded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families advocacy group.
5. She broke the mold for first ladies with her speech at the 1995 United Nations Women's Conference in China.
6. She won a Grammy for the audio edition of her book, It Takes a Village.
7. She worked with Ted Kennedy to expand the Children's Health Insurance Program.
8. She won the most votes of any female presidential candidate in history.
9. She set the stage for Obamacare by pushing health care reform in the '90s and during the 2008 campaign.
10. She became the most-traveled U.S. secretary of state ever.
11. She set into motion the first American talks with Iran since the 1979 revolution.

Now who is Bernie Sanders, I don't know, I really don't know and to me he popped up suddenly out of nowhere. If you are partaking in a match, there has to be someone to compete with. I believe any contenders to Hillary are just those out there just for the sake of it(match aka debate). And for someone like me when I saw him suddenly on TV saying that he's getting donation for his campaign not from billionaires but public. People paid standing ovation with round of applause, so? so what's the point? Does that make him saint? But to lot of people that made sense and now he's everyone's' talk of the night. Yes, there are things that make lot of sense to people. The same people who would believe they're getting free Ipad on some fake facebook page of real publication, the same people who follow Trump the maniac, the same fans who would like/share tweets of their drughigh fav singer who claims earth is flat, the same people who resend/retext/reshare religious messages out of fear(do this or curse would happen type), the same people who argues Ron Paul's gold theory must come back in action, the same people who believe and sell all their belongings in the name of judgment day only to turn into homeless next day, seriously I sometimes think how gullible we are to think whatever we hear and see are the truths. Bernie Sanders is another hype to me. Few videos on youtube found me the guy was a big time critique of democratic party itself, and didn't spare Obama policy from criticizing. I am afraid of sweet talkers and often time they're the back stabbers.

In all honesty, I really can't trust this Bernie dude and it seems like how honestly he's saying his things, Hillary is the way to go. Campaigns can't be run without money, however way you get it, you need money. He'll be in billionaire's pocket too if he's to get presidency. Those who think he's not going to be, are just type of people I mentioned in a paragraph above this.

If you are OBAMA supporters, VOTE for Hillary, if you are not VOTE for bernie.

Good Luck.

I'm seeing Hillary Clinton as the next president of the United States of America.
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Posted on 03-02-16 9:10 PM     [Snapshot: 7668]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I already answered ne0's question :P and I'll try to answer again:

I don't see how it is so wrong to get paid for speeches. Politicians get paid for speeches all the time. Everyone takes money. And in today's political world, taking donations is indispensable. This is how the system is. If you want to say the system is flawed, I will agree with you but I'm not going to criticize Hillary for it. I will criticize the system. Taking those donations from the big banks doesn't necessarily signify that the acceptor is completely in their pocket. Bernie, too, has huge donations from companies like Alphabet, Apple, Amazon, Intel. Are these companies trying to court Bernie? You don't consider Bernie corrupt for taking donations from monopolies like Apple and Amazon, but when Hillary does it, you come up with these malicious attacks.

All I see is the republicans and sadly, Bernie supporters politicizing everything (and I mean everything) about Hillary: "emails", "Benghazi", "she looks obnoxious", "she has crazy eyes", "she has a maniacal laugh", "she is a liar", "she didn't divorce Bill", "she is not personable" and blah blah blah. Are you sure you are not pandering to the misogynist inside you? ;)


 
Posted on 03-02-16 9:59 PM     [Snapshot: 7684]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mily, you agreed that the system is flawed.. So will you support someone who runs according to that flawed system or someone who is going to fix the system ?
Come on Mily feel the Bern ...
 
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Mily.. Why is she hesitating to release transcripts of her paid speeches to big banks.. She is their puppet and she's in their pockets...She has collected over $150 million paid speeches since 2001 and she has charged HUGEEEEEEE amount even to academic public top rank schools like UCLA n Berkeley ..$300k to speak at public universities ?? so I doubt she will make public colleges free or at least Affordable ..it's clear that she doesn't work for middle class
 
Posted on 03-02-16 11:30 PM     [Snapshot: 7709]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mily again your information is flawed. Bernie does not take contributions from super pacs which provide millions. At the federal level, the organizations you mentioned, themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. but their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families gave as individual contributions. Individuals are only allowed to contribute a maximum of few thousand dollars. The total only shows the final total contributed by individuals in those institutions.

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Which Presidential Candidates Are Winning the Money Race
(in millions) - NY Times



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Posted on 03-03-16 12:37 AM     [Snapshot: 7722]     Reply [Subscribe]
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It's really ironical to see one herd of so-called democrats non-stop bashing another democrat nominee 'Hillary' clinton, whereas Hillary side democrats defending her, just defending. We already acknowledge that we'll back bernie up if he wins nominee coz we don't want anti-immigrant repubs in power. But don't know, something must be wrong up in the planetary alignment, you folks are just endlessly playing like old tape recorder, bashing 'hillary' with talks like 'goldman sachs', 'money from banks'. Will you ever stop on that? whim created by conservative medias? ffs, stop making fight betn democrats rather than taking it to next level against republican candidate mofo trump. Lemme make it clear to you all, as I've been saying from day one. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes. Popular votes can be toppled by electoral votes.


 I hope that's enough to imprint what I am trying to emphasize , into your hardshell brains. Now the fact — for any democrat candidate to win the nomination, he/she needs 2383 delegates. As of last Super Tuesday, Bernie won 427 delegates Hillary won 1052 delegates. 

See the difference? 

Since democrats have only two candidates,we'll have our nomination declared earlier than republicans who have still more than two candidates racing for nomination. 

There is a calendar somewhere out there, for all these major caucus and presidential primary. 
3541 delegates to win for democrats. 

Now it's all math. Hillary won't have to do much to win remaining delegates to win nomination whereas bernie seems to have lot of sweat on his part. 

FYI, Florida, Newyork, New Jersey, California, Pennsylvania and Illinois have the most delegates count. Up until now, Hillary already won 10 states with massive delegates.

Bernie won only 5 states with very less delegates. By the way, do you realize how puny his hometown state Vermont is? Yes with just only 16 delegates. If you think his victory in his hometown and new hampshire is what causing your beautiful sensation of him winning all over the country, then you are day dreaming. Lets be realistic. 

Coming primaries, if Hillary wins Florida, California, Pennsylvania or even New York, bernie is done. 

And mark my words folks, Hillary will win all those major states. If you are getting confused with what am writing all above, and even though there was big aspiration in the beginning for bernies,  the bottomline is bernie already lost the nomination. Now, for bernie to win, something miraculous must happen where Hillary gets no delegates but that's far from reality.

Now can you stop bashing 'hillary' and be realistic, game is over. We all know Hillary will take the front leap and become the democratic nomination. 

 Bernie uncle is running now only for his settlement once election is over.
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@Geology Tiger
You didn't get my point. I admire Bernie for renouncing the flawed system. I'm just asking you not to blame Hillary for the system. Trust me, I'm all for the revolution too.

@microbiology
We need to hold everyone to the same standard. Why are you asking only Hillary to release the transcripts. And frankly, who cares what she said during those speeches? They paid her to talk and she talked. Period.

"she has charged HUGEEEEEEE amount even to academic public top rank schools like UCLA n Berkeley "
Guess who else has taken donations from government schools like Univ of CA, Univ of MI, Univ of IL, Univ of WA? Uncle Bernie :) By your logic Uncle Bernie is not going to make colleges affordable either.

@ne0
"the organizations you mentioned, themselves did not donate. but their individual members, employees or owners"
Sorry, my friend. Your argument sounds like "potayto, potahto" argument :P

@Khaobaadi
This is what I infer from your table: Hillary's total donation is twice as much as Bernie's. So, Hillary is only twice as corrupt as Saint Bernie. Or Hillary is half as righteous as Uncle Bernie :) Now, that doesn't sound so bad. Does it?

@sixfour
Amen

Guys, we are all on the same side. Our fight is against the republicans. There is a maniac rising on the other side. For the sake of humanity, the democrats need to unite and trounce the monster on the other side. Okie? :)
 
Posted on 03-03-16 9:26 AM     [Snapshot: 7800]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@mily,
It seems like you are predisposed to be prejudiced :)
This is not the same as potayto or potahto, but more like the generic apples and oranges.

If I as a person work for Microsoft, then when I give my individual contribution, I have to put the name of the company I work for. So when Tom, Dick and Harry who also work for microsoft feel a need to contribute personally, they also have to put in the name of the company they work for. So that's the number that is tallied up as Microsoft Contribution.

Microsoft as an organization cannot contribute directly. The companies that you mentioned Alphabet, Apple, Amazon, Intel - it was their employees who made those individual contributions! 

What microsoft can do however is become part of a superpac or create a superpac and contribute from their own bank account as much as they want. And that's where $millions come into play.

You are confusing individual contributions to corporate superpac contributions my friend, and thus comparing apples to oranges :)

Look at Khaobadi's chart above where Bernie received less than 0.1 from Superpacs.
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Posted on 03-03-16 11:57 AM     [Snapshot: 7848]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mily you are contradicting yourself... I am not blaming Hillary for the broken system. But she is wholeheartedly willing to be a tool of establishment that wants to run this broken system as it is. Does she dare to fix this system ? the answer is big NO... The problem is she is becoming a part of establishment's conspiracy to stop Bernie from fixing the system... I apologize if it offends you but for me she is nothing more than big red monkey .. भन्छ नि बाँदरले आफू पनि घर बनाउदैन अरुलाई पनि बनाउन दिदैन.. lol

 
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@ne0
I'm still not convinced that the individual employees' donations are different from the company itself if the donors are mentioning their affiliation with the company. Seems like the companies are exploiting loopholes (since they cannot donate themselves, donate through the employees.) Why doesn't Bernie decline the donations that are affiliated with those companies altogether then? I'm not saying Bernie is doing anything wrong, I'm just saying everyone takes donations one way or another. So, on Khaobaadi's chart I just looked at the total amounts. Bernie's righteousness score is infinity (no doubt there, right?). Now, Hillary's score is half of Bernie's which is still infinity. Get it? lol I know it sounds lame, but that's the best I can come up with :P

@Geology Tiger
How am I contradicting myself? I'm a die hard Bernie supporter (believe it or not) lol. I just get frustrated when you guys indulge in unfair criticism of Hillary.
 
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Mily

I gave donations to Bernie multiple times and every time it asked me to write the name of my employer. So there you have it. If you are still not convinced it's your prejudice towards Hillary that makes you question everything about Bernie inspite of you saying you are a die hard Bernie supporter :) Please try a bit harder :) You have defended Hillary so many times and I haven't seen you defending Bernie even one time LOL except for saying you are Bernie supporter. So at this point your support is under question big time!

If you think individual person's limited (regulated) contributions are same as unlimited donations coming in from the superpac then there's nothing really to discuss :)

Geology Tiger you are so right! She is absolutely willing to be a tool of establishment that wants to run this broken system as it is. Anyone who supports her is knowingly or supporting this broken system.

 
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BTW, who is Rocque "Rocky" de la Fuente on Minnesota ballot ?
The name alone sounds kinda cool and it pretty much 'rocked' my world




 
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So, you can actually vote "Uncommitted" or "Other"??? People go all the way to voting booths to vote "Uncommitted" ???
 
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No doubt, some people are committed enough to go all the way to voting booths to vote "Uncommitted"
 
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mily: "Seems like the companies are exploiting loopholes (since they cannot donate themselves, donate through the employees.) Why doesn't Bernie decline the donations that are affiliated with those companies altogether then?"

@mily so you want Bernie to decline individual donations from employees working in companies like Microsoft? There is a huge difference between receiving donations from "an employee" who works in Microsoft/Amazon/Intel/Apple, and receiving donations from SuperPacs like Goldman Sachs. During last Democratic debate, Hillary was bear-hugging Obama and praising about his work as the POTUS. She even slammed Bernie for his opinion on Obama when he said "I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president, who believe that with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues", which is completely true. She used that statement to criticize Bernie in every way possible to bring him down and attract Obama's voters on her side. And this is coming from a lying woman who used to criticize Obama left and right and even said "Shame on you Barack Obama" few years ago when they were running for Democratic nomination. I know when you run against another person you sometimes have to be harsh on that person but people should be smart and know better when choosing their candidate. But unfortunately there are many stupid people in this country because of which Hillary is going to win it all. The system is rigged!
 
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Trump Refugees Moving to Canada ?


Facing a real prospect of Trump presidency, thousands of concerned Americans are looking towards the north of the US border for refuge from potential Trump presidency.

Though, Canada is a pretty big country in terms of land mass, Cape Breton, a picturesque island on Canada's east coast is receiving a particular attention after a website set-up by a local radio host who intended it for humor went viral on the internet.

Serious inquiries have poured in from Americans all over the US. Dealing with American inquiring about the island has overwhelmed local officials for past few weeks as Trump has gained traction in US Primaries.






Cape Breton Island in the Province of Nova Scotia, Canada.


 
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For some of geeks out there this is a great interactive web tool developed by conservative leaning American Enterprise Institute for simulating future presidential elections leading up to 2032 presidential election according to voting patterns of past three elections.

It is based on the US Census Bureau's population data and expected population growth broken down to each state.

If voters voted in patterns similar to that of 2008 and 2012 GOP would not get into the White House for a generation. https://www.aei.org/multimedia/states-of-change-election-oracle/






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Here’s what has to happen for Bernie Sanders to win

Yes, Bernie Sanders could still win the Democratic nomination.

Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton is clearly winning now. She has 768 pledged delegates compared with Sanders's 553, according to Vox's delegate tracker. She's locked up most of the "superdelegates."
And there are no big winner-take-all states in the Democratic primary to buoy Sanders at the 11th hour. If current trends continue, Clinton will win with room to spare.
But though a Sanders comeback looks unlikely, Sanders's whole candidacy has been unlikely. Indeed, just this Tuesday, the Vermont senator shocked the punditry yet again with an upset victory in Michigan, a state where polls showed him down by more than 20 points.

Now, if Sanders hopes to catch up to Clinton, he'll need not just several more upsets like Michigan, but several more upsets bigger than Michigan. It's a tall order — he'll likely need to beat Clinton in most of the biggest states remaining, win landslides in heavily white states, and improve his performance among black and Hispanic voters substantially. But it's not impossible to imagine.

So here's my best attempt at gaming out how a path to victory for Sanders would actually look, as per the delegate math. There won't be any sugarcoating here — this scenario would require the race to shift in Sanders's favor. But elections can take surprising turns. If the following five things happen, Sanders could actually pull this off.

1) Sanders needs to win at least 54 percent of the remaining pledged delegates

First off, the primaries and caucuses in the Democratic nomination process are all about amassing pledged delegates. You win them proportionally in each state. (We'll get to superdelegates later.)
To pass Clinton in just pledged delegates, Sanders needs to win 54 percent or more of the pledged delegates still remaining:
  • Sanders currently has 553 or so pledged delegates.
  • He needs 2,026 for the barest possible majority of the 4,051 pledged delegates.
  • There are 2,736 pledged delegates still to be allocated.
  • So Sanders needs 1,473 of those 2,736, or 54 percent, to get there.
That might sound like a reasonable amount, but it's a tougher threshold to meet than you might think.

That's because, unlike on the Republican side, there are no big winner-take-all states lurking later in the calendar that could swing a whole batch of delegates to Sanders's side at once. Instead, every Democratic contest allocates delegates proportionally — meaning the only way to rack up a lot more pledged delegates than your rival is by winning big victories.

For an initial crude estimate to put us in the ballpark for what Sanders would need, his average result in the upcoming contests would have to be somewhere in the ballpark of an 8-point victory over Clinton (54-46). And of course, these upcoming states are of different sizes, so those Sanders wins can't just be concentrated in small states.

2) Sanders has to come out ahead in the six biggest states left

As of today, 29 states, four territories, and the District of Columbia still haven't voted in the Democratic contest.

But let's put things in perspective here — more than half of all the remaining delegates are in just six states: California, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Ohio.

Given his existing delegate deficit, Sanders simply cannot afford to get blown out in these six states. Indeed, he needs to come out ahead in them. For instance, if he ends up splitting the delegates from these six states with Clinton evenly, he'd then need to win 58 percent of the delegates in all the other contests for that pledged delegate majority (which, again, means his average outcome across all those varied states and territories would have to be a 58-42 win — and that's completely implausible).

Unfortunately for Sanders, Clinton's home state of New York is one of these "big six." So if Clinton wins handily there, Sanders would have to do quite well in the other five to cancel that out.

  • Three of them — Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — are Rust Belt states where Sanders would have to outright win rather than just essentially tie, as he did in Michigan.
  • The other two — California and Florida — have large Hispanic populations. And of the two Hispanic-heavy states to have voted so far, Nevada and Texas, Sanders narrowly lost one and didn't even come close in the other.
Given the size of New York, Sanders doesn't really have the luxury of picking and choosing whether to focus on improving his performance in the Rust Belt or among Hispanic voters. He has to do both.

And he doesn't have the luxury of time, either — three of these states (Illinois, Ohio, and Florida) are voting on Tuesday, March 15. If the polls are right, Sanders is on track to lose big in Florida, so keep an eye on whether he can make up for that with stronger-than-expected performances in Ohio and Illinois.

3) Sanders needs landslides in the whitest states

Sanders has done extremely well in states with large white populations so far. So any path that leads to him passing Clinton would likely involve doing even better in those states going forward.

Yet the heavily white states that have already voted have been either from Sanders's home region of New England (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) or Midwestern caucus states (Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota).

The remaining big, heavily white states are mainly either Midwestern primary states (Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin), Western states (Oregon, Utah, Idaho), or Appalachian states (Kentucky, West Virginia).

It's not yet clear whether Sanders can win these states by margins similar to those he pulled in New England and in the Midwestern caucuses. But if he wants to close the gap with Clinton he essentially has to do so, since Clinton won such enormous landslides of 30 points or more in so many Southern states, and Sanders has to cancel those out somehow.

4) Sanders needs to (at least) fight Clinton to a draw overall in less white states

Even after Sanders came out ahead of Clinton in the Big Six and won the remaining heavily white states in landslides, he'd still need more.That's because there's still another batch of 600 or so delegates in states and territories with large nonwhite populations. These include:
  • North Carolina and Maryland, which have similar demographic breakdowns to several of the Southern states Clinton won so big in
  • New Jersey, which is next door to Clinton's home state of New York
  • Arizona and New Mexico, which have big Hispanic populations
  • Puerto Rico, which Clinton won in a blowout in 2008
So Clinton is well-positioned to regain her pledged delegate lead with even modest victories in these states. Sanders needs to fight her to a draw overall in states like these, or he'll likely fall short.

5) The superdelegates have to be flexible

If Sanders pulls all the above off and improbably gets a pledged delegate majority, he'd then face a new problem: the superdelegates.

Currently, Clinton is netting more than 400 superdelegates more than Sanders. If that advantage holds, Sanders would need to do far, far better than the already ambitious targets laid out above. Indeed, he'd need to win 70 percent of the remaining pledged delegates in order to catch up. That's an all but impossible feat in the Democrats' proportional system — it means that in the remaining states, Sanders's average result would have to be a 40-point victory over Clinton. Not happening.

So to construct any plausible Sanders path to victory, we basically have to assume that many of the superdelegates who have endorsed Clinton will eventually be willing to change their minds if Sanders beats her in pledged delegates.

That's not a crazy assumption — Democratic superdelegates have never dethroned the leader in pledged delegates. And if Sanders passes Clinton in that count, there will surely be immense public pressure on superdelegates to carry out the "will of the people," rather than swing the nomination toward an insider. (That's why we've excluded superdelegates from Vox's delegate tracker — because they can change their minds.)

However, Sanders is such a party outsider, and there is such concern about how he'd do in a general election, that superdelegates might well try to swing the race toward Clinton after all. We just don't know yet.

A scenario for a Sanders victory

So, to recap, here's what I see as the most plausible — though still implausible — Sanders victory scenario.
  1. Sanders wins, say, 53 percent of the delegates in those Big Six states, likely through big wins in the Rust Belt states of Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and through improving his performance with Hispanic voters in California.
  2. He racks up landslide after landslide in the other states remaining that are 70 percent white or more, and comes away with about 62 percent of those delegates.
  3. And he then fights Clinton to a draw in the remaining contests where nonwhite voters are more heavily represented, picking up 48 percent of those delegates.
  4. This would give Sanders — just barely — a majority in pledged delegates. But it wouldn't give him the nomination. For that, he'd then need enough of the superdelegates to swing to his side or remain neutral.
Is all this likely? Personally, I don't think so. But I'd hesitate before calling it impossible. After all, we've seen a great many "impossible" things transpire already this cycle.

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If anyone needs 1 on 1 delegate coaching and how election works, private message me.
Also, the facts and stats am referring to may change over the course of months ahead, and that doesn't invalidate my viewpoints but if you think that my sorryarse lied on and on because the stats I referred to a day ago, changed later after a day well, it's time for psyche evaluation. Go get it.

If it's TLDR for some of you of what I've posted above this post, here is a summary: -
-Electoral votes can topple popular votes.
-Bernie is far behind the race. Hillary is far ahead.
-For bernie to win, superdelegates have to vote bernie but they wouldn't do because trump would easily defeat bernie and dems are not gonna let that happen.
-Bernie has been winning small states, hence less delegates and big 'LOSS' at the end.

My personal opinion is if he could massively win florida, newyork, and other big states. Lets say if bernie in farfetch unreal imagination managed to pull the win barely like 50/50, consider him lost the race. That miserable victory is not gonna get him anywhere near nomination. The miserable victory that I'm referring to one is similar to michigan. That's not gonna work. I know you 'puters' are boasting that it was a huge shock, hillary was sure win in michigan. That victory is not enough for him to get nomination.

Please stop being emotional and stop slandering your own herd like lowly conservatives do. You are better than that.
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Bernie, in many ways, seems like a message candidate. Message candidates don't always win but their messages get co-opted by someone else down the road.


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