Hello yo all,

If you are against Royal move, then please suggest the alternative. It is easy to bash king. Everybody seen the failed democracy. Just do not bash the royal move. SUggest alternatives to get out of sh*t hole that we are in because of these poltical leaders.

Nepe, Houston, Hulaki yo all views will be highly appreciated.

For me I just want peace and stability in Nepal.

HF for peace in Nepal

Junkie Bro,

I did say don't read too literally on the example of US. I was tired (hence my name) of people saying we are too uneducated, we are too backwards for democracy. It was just supposed to be a counterexample to that line of thought, that's all.

I hate Bush, but I still take Fahrenheit 911 with a grain of salt. Why should I believe all that M. Moore has to say if I don't believe all that Bush has to say? Ani you say, Bush is corrupt. Ok, so doesn't that just go on to show that corruption is NOT the worst problem we have. That we have worse problems?

There is no question about WAITING to see if democracy works. It is a proactive, interactive process. It is a PROCESS not an ENTITY. And we have to keep working on it till we satisfy people enough to not take up arms in frustration. Waiting is a passive approach, but democracy is forum where we can be active.

In the prevailing situation, someone had todo something, something had to be done and the king took the opportunity to consolidate his power. Yes, he has his survival in stake. But we, the people, also have everything on stake. He gambles with not just all he has, he gambles with all that we, the people, have. Now, tell me what right does he have to do that?

My view on what the king should do is clear. He should step down, or risk being swept away. After the October 2002 move, who was the main obstacle to progress in talks with the Maobaadi? Who was not willing to go to constituent assembly? The king should be ready to go constituent assembly and test his belief that the people want him, that the people support him. Grabbing power and declaring a law that whoever speaks against him does not prove that he is popular.

Besides, what means does he have on his disposal to solve Nepal's problems? Will he solve it by military mobilization? Is that a solution to the Maobaadi problem? How can he establish an equal society when his own existence, by definition, is built upon the very inequalities that plague our nation?

And definitely, there is no need to be scared of anybody if we unite. I agree completely. But why should we unite for the good of one person? Let's unite for the good of all of us.

And you don't want no civil war? Are you kidding? You already have one! We already have one.

Are we, as one people, one Nepali people willing to listen to the oppressed voices? Do we have the courage to accept these voices as Nepali voices and are we ready to deal with their problems? If not, we won't have peace. IMHO.

I pray for peace too. And I pray for my country.

tired dude
gorge bush didnot make american system....if US starts having more ppl like gorge bush as president .....i wouldnt be surprised to see her downfall........everthing has a limit and the politicians exceeded that limit.....
we had already discussed on why the King did not come to talk to the maoist if u remember....so there is no point arguing on this.......
if the good of the King could benefit to all then why not unite for him......either we have to choose a leader ....or support the maobadis or everybody should stop doing what they are and go to nepal and do something to stop this.......or else give the King a chance ....but something has to be done ......just staying here and arguing on things would not help Nepal...
if u think we ahve a civil war then we should stop it
cuz no one wins at war

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well, i say the king exceeded his limits by taking power in the manner he has. why give him a chance? why not give ourselves a chance?

and dude, i did imply that george bush does not make the system, didn't i? but anyway, i don't really care if america sees a downfall.

i don't remember our previous discussion but there was an opportunity, even if the king did not come to talks directly, to agree to constituent assembly. that did not happen because, and only because, the army listens to the king. really, what is the difference between the king and prachanda?

if the king could benefit all, why not unite behind him? of course, but he can't. the king represents the fundamental problem, how can he benefit all?

yes we should work on stopping the war. i think the king cannot stop the war. he does not have the means. he does not have the will or the vision. so, why give him a chance to turn nepal into another somalia or afghanistan where warlords rule and everyone else suffer? what do youi think can be done? i have put my ideas on the table.

and dude, talking here, arguing here is necessary cause you can't do that in nepal. but yes, action is necessary.

tired dude
what do you mean by giving ourselves a chance? we always had and will always have a chance.....no power could defy the power of the ppl......why didn't you talk or argue on this in nepal before the King was in power?
so are you trying to imply that the country should've been left in the hands of the politicians and have waited for the democracy to work?
the thing is noone has the strong logical answer to what should be done right now........had there been one we would have implemented it......wouldn't you?

Putting aside our differences, it's high time to support the King. As far as I see, King G has a lot to loose not like political leaders. He only has two choices either work for the good of the people and country or lose his kingdom. I think King G, if he wants to lead the country and stay if power, can enpower himself by enpowering people and developing the country . We need a strong and smart leader who can fight for Nepal and Nepali people.
For 16 years these political leaders degraded the country by abusing power and corrupting the whole system. All the political leaders got so rich in these 16 years by snatching Goverments revenue and Foreign Aid. We have to confiscate the money they earned by wrong deeds. We need strict law and order in Nepal. I belive only King G can do that. I hope and pray to god he succeeds in resovling the moist proble as soon as possible.

no power could defy the power of the ppl
>> the king just did, didn't he? one can't even speak against him in private conversations? isn't that defying the power of the ppl?

so are you trying to imply that the country should've been left in the hands of the politicians and have waited for the democracy to work?
>> if there were dissatisfactions with the politicians, get rid of them. no point waiting. just waiting does not do anything. but now, under the current system, no one can do anything but wait.

the thing is noone has the strong logical answer to what should be done right now
>> i repeat once again. we should have a constituent assembly, and the king should step down/be removed if that is what the people want.

had there been one we would have implemented it......wouldn't you?
>> there always was this option. the durbaar did not let this happen because it wanted to consolidate power. yes, i would have.


I think King G, if he wants to lead the country and stay if power, can enpower himself by enpowering people and developing the country .
>> if wel empower people, nepal will develop. it will take time, it won't happen overnight. but how and why will the king empower the people?

Junkie bro:

Do you think we have a civil war in Nepal or not?

Just want to see what your opinion on the current situation is.

Tired dude
I think you are getting this totally wrong. First of all as you were talking about defying the power of the people, that is not really defying the power because more people are supporting the king rite now and you can even see that by refering the poll in our own Sajha.com homepage.

What you need to understand is that the majors that king had taken was to restore the peace and to save the country from burying into quicksand. Everyday as we used to wake up, all we would hear is this many people got killed here and that many people got killed there. Even in the international standard our country has fallen waydown than what it used to be. Looking at rising per capita income doesn't mean the country is rising. Just refer to stat of the other country, the way their is rising.

I have been noticing that you been say this over and over again: if there were dissatisfactions with the politicians, get rid of them. no point waiting. just waiting does not do anything. but now, under the current system, no one can do anything but wait.

How can you say that?? Instead of waiting why not give the chance to the King. All he is asking is give him 3 years time to make everythin work systematically in the country again. Do you want to live in fear all the time?? As you can talk to the people back home, how secure they feel now as compared to wht it used to be before!!

At the end all I'm asking is what would you think would have been the rite solution to the present crisis?? What would you have done is you were in King G's place??

Tired
i repeat once again. we should have a constituent assembly, and the king should step down/be removed if that is what the people want.

Do you think this would solve the problem?? Lagam lagaune manche huda ta janta lagam lagdainan, kohi pani nabhaya desh kati chada hune hola!!

janatalaai janataale bahek kunai ek byakti wa sansthale lagaam lagaaune adhikaar chhaina.

janataale jantaalaai suhaaudo niyam kanoon banaaune chhan.

janataalaai chaadaa bhanna paidainaa. jasle dukha paayo, tyahi chhaadaa? wah!


jai nepali janataa. jai nepal.

if wel empower people, nepal will develop. it will take time, it won't happen overnight. but how and why will the king empower the people?

The king will empower people and that day is not far!! But if he empowers now, who would you vote for?? who would you trust that would lead our country and us infront of rest of the world?? and voting is far away, I'd be surprised even if election could be conducted in this sitation that the country is going through.

jai nepal dude:

i was talking in the phone to a friend the other day he said:

"well, it is all nice and well in kathmandu. everything is normal. the government offices are working very fast. so it is good for people here.
i heard that 20 buses were burnt outside the valley yesterday though. there is no way to know if that is true or not. my home (his home is in the east), there are maoists everywhere, i don't think their activities have receded. i highly doubt it. there is no way of knowing though, i don't want to go home now. it's just too risky."

-- if you say that is peace, you are just being very selfish man. peace in kathmandu is not peace in nepal. kathmandu is not nepal.

First of all as you were talking about defying the power of the people, that is not really defying the power because more people are supporting the king rite now and you can even see that by refering the poll in our own Sajha.com homepage.

>>> once again, if the king is popular enough (just 50.0001% of the votes will do), let's see. what does sajha poll tell us: nothing. let's have a constituent assembly and let's see if the nepali people want him. if the king is sure he is like by enough people, why did he keep blocking constituent assembly?

Tired
that was not what I meant. I was just talkin at the context how political parties were gambling and fighting with one another by sending their people in the street so that they can get the power and so that they can suck on our sweat and blood!! Do you think they wanted to get in the power to develop the country and make our living standard higher? Janta le hijo dhari dukkha paiyo khi aja, timi affai bhana sathi?? Atleast King said he will try to abolish all this BS going on in the country.

there is that age old question: "if a tree fell in the woods and you didn't hear it, did it actually fall?"

"if the maoists killed man somewhere in nepal (outside kathmandu) and you didn't hear about it, did the man not die?"

haina saathi, ma maanchhu king said that. but let's not forget, the netaas said that too! didn't they? what makes the king different? king pani uhi dyangko mula ho. khali pharak yatti chha ki, u sanga army chha, jasko shaktile usle daman garna sakchha.

netaa haru chor hun. tyo ta ma pani mandachhu. tara chorlaai chhadera daakaalaai angalnuta bhayena ni.

Tired
you said that right, Nepal is not Kathmandu.Like you said, everything can't be done overnight so yeah it would take a little time before making everything fall in the system. I am sorry to hear that maoist activites is still going on around your home area and I certainly do feel ya!!

So do you really think constituent assembly would restore peace in the country?? Do you think Maoist would end this bloody battle rite after it happens?? Do you really think thats the only solution??

Tired:
You can't really put King and Netas in the same catogory. King has love for his country, if not for himself atleast for his ansestors!! you talk about netas, they don't even have respect for others, how would they have any love for the nation!!

King has the army in his hand, but where did you really see DAMAN is happenning?? just cause he shut down phone and press for few days?? dude what you need to understand in Nepal halla nai hall kho desh ho. If he hadn't done that, there would have been 100s of people already been killed in the street by now!!this about it that way...nepali shojo janta lai drive garna sajilo cha ra think how all those netas would have driven all out brodas and sistas to come out in the street for riot!!

that is the only solution where everybody can meet.

and no solution at such a critical juncture is a static solution. it has to be a dynamic, interactive solution process. there will have to be a lot of checks and balances. but that is the only hope i see. of course, even with that we, the people, have to remain vigilant and careful so that no one takes advantage of us again.

ani saathi, it seems like the king will have a hard time defeating the maoists (if he can do that). there are reports everywhere that the maoist blockade is crippling the country (refer to paramendra's thread).

so, you tell me, man. do you think there is another solution that will lead us to peace with less bloodshed?