For more pictures pls. visit the link below:

http://www.nepalhorizons.com/nepalhorizons/photogallery/20050328-peace-rally-in-new-york/index.html

So basically, after all said and done, we got the idea on what your personal preferences are? why not say it boldly rather than writing all these lines of mother f**king long f**king story. Its fair to say that people have personal differences and that makes the world go around but with people like you create conflict among Nepalese living in U.S.

Suggested solution:

Drop dead from the Empire State Building
Location: Get off at 34th Street Station from Train A, C or E

Good Luck ;)

I have a question for supporters of democracy in Nepal who oppose this ralley and people participating in it.

AREN'T YOU BEING UNDEMOCRATIC BY NOT TOLERATING THESE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN KING AS THEIR SUPREME LEADER?

userfromdc-jee,

Conflicts are created by lies, like the ones that reported 200-300 people attended the rally, or even 1000 by some official mouthpieces...and by unwarranted angry words and filth.

I showed it as I saw it. That's all.

And for my views, I am sure I have made it abundantly clear through my previous posts on various threads where I stand on this issue. Perhaps you were just throwing cursory glances at the threads. It's your choice, though.

As for the directions to the Empire State building, taking 1,2,3,9 is one block closer than your suggestion, or F,D,V,Q,N,R is even closer...two blocks closer than your suggestion! :p Trying to make me walk more before I jump from the Empire State building? How sinister! ehehhe

And Saroj-jee,

Is choosing to disagree being intolerant? I think NOT!

And isn't the freedom to choose to disgree one of the pillars of democracy? I think YES!

Poonteji,
You have done justice to truth by presenting the factual informations. The dwarfness of pro monarchists is itself exposed from such Narayanhiti sponsored face saving support rallies which are simply farcical.
And now, the people are stll asleep. When they wake up these people will be overwhelmed.
For the time being, let them make merry for few days.
Infact, they are those who are digging the grave for monarchy. Let themselves complete the task while we will be cherishing the birth of genuine democracy in our motherland in a few months to come.

" birth of genuine democracy in our motherland in a few months to come"

so what was the last 13 years? Fake democracy? How is any incoming democracy going to be more genuine than the last one?

Mr. Poonte: OK each one of Nepali or foreigner is free to support king G's Feb 1, 2005 declaration to suspend the fundamental rights of people and Democracy but NOT TAKING A CASH FROM KING'S FUND TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE THE CRAP WHAT HE IS DOING IN NEPAL AGAINST THE WILL AND FEELINGS OF PEOPLE OF NEPAL AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITIES UNDER THE EMERGENCY AT GUN POINT?

THIS SORT OF SUPPORT IN A LAND OF FREEDOM AND OPPORTUNITY IS DISGRACEFUL TO PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND THE COUNTY. THIS IS OUTRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL.

THIS IS WHAT I CALL THE GORKHALINESS: FOR EXAMPLE IN NEPALI THE MOST OF THE GORKHALIS TAKE THE MOST ADVANTAGE OF THE FOREIGN ADD AND PROJECTS AS WELL AS FROM THE TOURISTS FROM EUROPE AND AMERICA YET THEY CALL THEM AMONG NEPALI "KUERRE". NO REGARDS AND RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO MAKE YOUR LIFE POSSIBLE YOUR LIFT YOU DOWNTRODDEN LIFE STYLE TO A LITTEL BIT BETTER LIFE. GORKAHALIS DOES NOT DESERVE FOREIGN ADD AND SUPPORT.

SHAME ON THESE GORKHALI. I WOULD NOT MIND THEM TO CALL DICKHEAD JACKASS AND I AGREE THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT IS GORKHALINESS:

"STUPID, STUBORN, DICKHEAD, COCKSURE, SUPPERSTIOUS, ADICTIVE, SELFISH, BRAINDEAD, FEAR STRICKEN - WHO BELIEVE IN SACRIFICING A POOR GOAT OR BUFFOLLO OR CHICKEN TO A MOUNTAIN GOD LIKE BHAIRAVA OR DEVI TO CURSE HIS OWN BROTHER TO GO TO HELL - WHO GIVE UNNECESSARY TROUBLE TO WICK TRIBESMAN IF HE OR SHE DOES BELIEVE WHAT GORKHALI BELIEVES - WHO DOES NOT MIND TO LIVE ON SOMEONES PROPERTY, WHO DOES NOT MIND TO CONFISCATE OTHERS WEALTH, WHO DOES NOT MIND TO LIE, WHO KILLS HIS OWN KINS MEN AND CALLS SOMEONE DID IT, NOT ME."

SINCE GORKHALINESS REPRESENTS MINDLESSNESS - NO FAR SIGHTED VISION BUT FEAR STRICKEN AND SELFISH LIKE A WORM GORKHALI CAN SUPPORT KING G WITH NO SECOND THOUGHT, BUT CANNOT PONDER OVER THE TRUTH THAT DEMOCRACY AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF PEOPLE REFLECTS. GORKHALI CANNOT ASK TO HIMSELF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

WHAT IS WORTH HAVING A NATION THAT DOES NOT GIVE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF PEOPLE AND THE PRACTICE OF RULE OF LAW - DEMOCRACY BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE?

IS NOT IT LIKE LIVING IN LIKE ANIMALS IN A FARM WITHOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHS OF PEOPLE?

WHAT IS THE USE OF THE PEACE UNDER THE GUN POINT AT ANY TIME VERY GORKHALI AND THE PUPPET OF king G CAN BE THE TARGET POINT?

WHAT KIND OF KING IS THIS WHO SNATCH THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE, WHO HAD INSISTED ON THE CASTE SYSTEM TO DIVIDE HUMANS OF NEPAL, WHO INSISTS ON THE EXISTENCE OF THE FEUDAL LORDS OF VILLAGE TO BE HIS GORKHALI?

HOW CAN SUCH A KING WHO DO NOT TRUST HIS OWN STATESMEN OF THE COUNTY AND FIGHT WITH ALL OF THEM EITHER PUTTING THEM BEHIND THE BAR OR STRICKING WITHT THE GUN BY HIS SLAVE RNA?

HOW CAN SUCH A KING WHO CAN NOT BRING ALL DIFFERENT BELIEVES, FAITH, IDIOLOGIES TOGETHER, WHO CANNOT TALK WITH THE GROUP OF THE STATESMEN TOGETHER?

THIS IS NIGHTMARE OF GORKHALI AND GORKHALINESS. CURSE ON THEM BUT THE DOWN FOR THE DEMOCRACY IS INEVITABLE SOONER OR LATTER. FOOLS AND STUPID MAY NOT RULE LONGER ON EARTH.

JAI HIMAL

ye mora Poonte bhanum ki ye poonteji bhanum
tyo tero/hajurko final suspicion cha ni tyo ta mero sathi ko Dai mora
tyo BOSTON mai cha kun kunama ho thaha chaina
Gaaf Hanne pani Katti YAAR SOJHO NEPALI LAI PAYERA
hunda hunda chaine na chaine futu chichera gaaf dya cha dya cha ,
herdai gayen herdai gayen; gaaf pachau dain gayen , la usko final suspicion ta afulenai chiine ko manche.
aba ta bhayena ba yeslai laat thoknai paryo bhanera lekhdai chu

Poonte
looking through your window, it seems anyone with a dhaka and palapali topi there in the rally is your suspect???? what kindda nonsense is that... what are you suggesting that we stop wearing our nepali topi? I don't think a well educated fellow like yourself should be so bias towards our heritage and culture....
everyone should follow the serpha's for supporting the peace, atleast they realize King is the only option for peace.

And again, your targeting the nepalese who wear nepali topi is very bias.... I wonder what you call yourself when you introduce to a foreigner..... do you claim that you are indian or something else, because your thinking reflects that you don't like nepal and nepali or it's culture and it's people. Nepali topi is the universal sign of nepalipan, no cast, creed or religion is bias towards our TOPI, everyone and every walks of life in nepal wear one and has owned one or wore one, and you might be that one too....

So, just because you have the power to write and express your feelings, doesn't mean you can say anything you want, that is why there is sensorship in nepal NOW. I doubth it even in america you can't just scream anywhere??? or can you??? if you want to find out, I would ask you to stand in front of your apartment and scream and shout slogans for an hour, I will gurantee NY city's finest will be paying you a private visit.

Instead of writing all crap about people you don't even know.. why didn't you just ask them what they thought about everything that is going on in nepal, instead of pointing them out in the picture in internet, if you were a participant or just and observer you should have the guts to talk to the people in the rally and than point them out, stating who said what... It shows how amature you are in your invistigation----> refering to the posting by BRUN42.

This is the kind of reason we have no free democracy and press freedom in nepal, democracy doesn't mean you can say or speak anything, press freedom doesn't mean you can write anything without investigating or quoting a solid source (like nepali newspapers), who wrote anything they pleased sitting in their office without going out of kathmandu,

And according to you and your report, you said and compared, there were more people who showed up for peace really than the rally against the King, This shows there are more people who would rather see the King successed than the maoist or the politicians, so the population has spoken in both rallies in DC and NY; there are more supporters than opposers.

Peace In Nepal.
Jai Nepal
Gorkhali

p.s.---> none of ya'll can deport anyone for going in a rally or being politically outspoken in this country.-------> people like you can only hide and speak from the shadow's.. it takes a real nepali to come and speak his/her mind enmasse to the public.

one more thing,
is POONTE suggesting that Sherpas are not nepali?
and they can't support the kings move for peace???
or only ethnic bhramins and chettris should support or oppose???
is he suggesting all the ethnic people of nepal are not nepali????
Everyone with a nepali topi should be deported????


POONTE......... you write nothing but nonsense , maybe you want to clarify your point of view for us all Shajhaites here Please????

Even though I normally hold great reservations to responding to emotionally-charged, rash, sometimes venom-filled comments, regardless of how relevant the comments might be, I think I will make an exception with GORKHALI-X this time. First, this is my very first encounter with him; and second, he actually does raise some valied points that I feel I need to address.

THE SUSPECTS: I was very intrigued by the information that a team was sent from Nepal, at the government's expense, to organize pro-king rallies in the US. Hence, I was obviously curious to know who they were at the rally. I broached the subject with one of the organizers, and he brushed off the idea as if he wanted to avoid commenting on it. Therefore, I had no choice but to look around, study people, and perhaps assume on the basis of SUSPICIONS who they might have been.

No, the SUSPICIONS were not based on who was wearing a dhaka topi or not -- 2 out of three pictures of individuals that I have labeled as "suspects" are not wearing dhaka topis, and there were few others who were wearing those topis whom I have not included on the "suspects" list. Rather, regardless of what they were wearing, I based my assumption on individual behaviors at the rally -- on things like who they were mostly associating with, how some of them were constantly seeming to direct the flow of the program and, on the case of one of them, how he was being very suspiciously keenly observant of the surroundings, particularly the people. Mind you, I had only posted the pictures calling them "suspects," which obviously implied that I could have been wrong. And if anyone wanted to prove my suspicions wrong by putting forth appropriate reasoning (I did not deem brun42's comments on one of the pictures as being such), I'd have gladly acecepted mistake and duely apologized.

Having said that, on a hindsight, I do realize that posting pictures of particular individuals with the comments that I had was probably wrong, regardless of how justified my suspicions might have been. Therefore, I have already asked the administrator to remove those pictures. My apologies to any individuals whom I might have WRONGLY offended by my original decision to post their pictures.

ON DHAKA TOPIS: As someone of a Chhetri/Thakuri background with roots in the "pahade" culture, yes I do hold tremendous pride in DHAKA TOPIS and DAURA SURUWALS. Those who know me well know how much passion I have for those attires, lok-dohori geets, jhyaure dances, etc. But this does not mean I should reagrd the paraphernalias related to my personal roots as being generally NEPALI. I mean, does a Dhaka topi represent any other Nepalis other than Chhettri-Bahuns? Is daura suruwal actualy a proper representation of Gurungs/magars, Sherpas, Kiraantis, Tharus etc.? I think not. The fallacy of the the panchayat regime has been that in the name of national unity and homogeneity, they have IMPOSED the culture, religion and other practices of the ruling class, i.e., the Chhettri-Bahun class, on the janajatis and other ethnic minorities of Nepal. yes, DHAKA TOPI can be regarded as PART of the Nepali culture, but to claim that it represents NEPALIS as a while is downright prejudicial to other culture that are prevalent within the borders of Nepal.

On the issue of Sherpas at the rally: As vested Nepali citizens, of course they have every right to take ANY sides on issues pertaining to Nepal. I am not questioning that. My only concern was that since more than half of the participants at the rally were Sherpas, and since three consecutive Sherpas responding to my querries did not express explicit support for the King, I was just wondering if they were merely being exploited by the organizers to muster a certain number of people at the rally, rather than respectfully inviting them to partake in the rally as per their genuine support for the king. That's all. Any other distortions by GORKHALI-X is evil.

On peace and the king: Let us not lose focus here: PEACE is what we all desire, regardless of our respective political leanings -- our only differences are on how to achieve it, not in our common goal to achieve peace. Therefore, the idea that supporting the notion of peace automaticaly translates into support for the King is absurd -- King is only ONE of the way that some people believe is the path towards peace; and others, like myself, hold different beliefs. I do not deem it necessary to indulge in a legthy explanation as to why I think the King's way is not the way to peace, on which I have said enough on other threads. In a nutshell, all I can say right now is that the very institution that has been at the helm of INEQUALITY -- which is the root to violence -- as it stands today, without seeking profound transformation, CANNOT act as an instrument of peace in Nepal.

Finally, your thoughtless gibberish on the freedom of press/opinions is not even worthy of lengthy response. WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER CRAPPY JOURNALISM IS TACKLED APPROPRIATELY (IN DEMOCRACY) BY COUNTER ARGUMENTS THROUGH THE PRESS ITSELF, THORUGH FREEDOM TO EXPRESS OPPOSING VIEWS, NOT BY BANNING IT.

If you'd kindly respond, if you must, with civility and sound reasonings, then I shall consider further response if needed. Or else, this is the last time you'll hear from me on these issues.

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I am kinda surprised with near complete silence of royalist propaganda machines in the US about NY rally. No news dispatch, no communiqu?, no recycling commentaries, no grand claims. What happened ?

Peace Media carries a brief news, that too borrowed from Kantipur online. The latter itself got it from the Radio Nepal.

Is that all or am I missing the show going on somewhere else ?

Talking about the show, here is a show (a radio show recording with live audience) once again in DC and once again with Homraj Acharya ji, this time together with a big shot from very influencial think tank, International Crisis Group represented by it's Washington Chief of Staff, John Norris.

What:
Radio Panel discussion
(Defining the Issues Series: Promoting Democracy Abroad: Does Nepal Count?)

When:
Wednesday April 13, 2005 (2:20-3:30 pm)

Where:
733 15th St. NW (15th and H), Ste. 1020
Washington, DC

Having all said and done the bottom line is King G is in power. There are lot of people for and against the move. Personally I do not support the king, but I feel helpless and left without any options. I think many others feel the same.

I believe maoists should never come to power. I do not wanna discuss possible results over and over again.

Ultimately, I think there should be multi-party democracy. But I do not trust the current leadership and there should be a change in the leadership. Only then the mass movement will be possible.

I am strongly aginst any kind of ecomnomic emabrgo against Nepal. I beleive a true Nepali who really feel for the country can even imagine this. So, I against so called leaders and anybody else who is calling for economic emabrgo.

Everbody wants freedom. Thats human nature. The democracy is taken away. But still there is no any mass movement. The answer ovious whose gonna lead the people.

I beleive everybody corrupt should be punished.

Having all said, I am surprised how people are crying loud. Bottom line is all we (assumung people in foreign land) left Nepal for fiancial reasons. We all are selfish. ANybody can point out the falws. But what is the solution?? How we gonna solve this problem??

Peace out

System change requires a mass movement. How many people gonna lose their life?? The people who are calling for mass movement, are they willing to take the responsisbity and recognize the sacrifice and work for better goods of the country.

After 1990, what was the result?
People were just disappointed and frustated.

I would beleive all of you who call for mass movement really feeling for Nepal if you are ready to share the bullet wounds with the people on the ground fighting for democracy. Else you know what it is.

Same Dogs every where

There will be a big really in Dallas. But, not for King nor for parties. Don't except anything, you Royals of NY and D.C.

Yes, apart from NTV and Samacharpattra reporting that there were 1000 people at the rally -- joke bhanna pani atti hunchha ni -- and few unofficial mouthpieces of the pro-king camp in the US halla foo-ko-ing that there were upto 300 participants (liar, liar...timiharu ko turi on fire!), I am happy to notice no significant attention has been given to the rally.

As I said, here could not have been more than 90 there, which is no big deal at all considering the facts that they were supposed to have converged from THREE cities, and that it was held on a weekend. And it lacked support from ANY prominent fugures from Nepali political/social circles in NY, which is noteworthy because the rally was held in NY.

How can anyone claim it to be a GRAND success? The following is copied and pasted from mass email circulating, reported from the head of the Boston delegation at the NY Rally:

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Nepalese Diaspora Hold Huge Peace Rally in NYC
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 3:30 PM
Press Release:
Nepalese Diaspora Hold Huge Peace Rally in New York
New York, March 27, 2005

The rally represented almost all ethnic groups of Nepal including Gurungs,
Limbus, Magars, Newars, Sherpas, and Bhramins, Chhetris and others. The rally
participants included a number of professionals. A large group of people came
by bus from Washington, DC and Boston.

The participants in the rally had over eighty placards and three five feet by
three feet banners. The placards and banners had many slogans which said?
Long live Nepal America Friendship? The rally carried fifteen large flags of
Nepal and a lot of small flags.

The welcome address to the group was given by Mina Shrestha. Shasi Gurung
sang the Nepalese National song. The following individuals addressed the group
about the desire of the Nepalese people to live in peace: Rajaram Poudel,
Pralhad KC, Govinda Giri, Dilnath Giri, Netra Lal Shrestha. Nirakar Man Singh Regmi
read a patriotic poem. The function was coordinated by Bhup Narayan Gharti
Magar.

Five of the participants registered a petition in the UN Headquarters. The
petition was signed by 1550 Nepalese Diaspora and friends of Nepal. In addition,
about fifty of the rally participants submitted a petition to Nepal?
Permanent Mission at the UN Headquarters.

Despite the cold weather, the participants seem to be very enthusiastic and
shouted slogans, Long Live Nepal America Friendship, We condemn terrorism,
Punish the Corrupt Criminals, We support the HM King's Actions.

The whole operation is being coordinated by US Committee for Peace and
Democracy in Nepal. The committee has forty members representing forty states of the
USA. The members of the committee and other volunteers have collected over
1558 signatures in support of the petition submitted to the UN Secretary General
Kofi Annan. In addition, the committee submitted a petition to President
George W. Bush and Secretary State Rice.
*****************************

This email is followed by highlights of the petition to the UN Secreatary General and other dignitaries.