OK by now we all know these so called "maoists" are nothing but indian byproduct. or i'd like to think of them as indian shit and that is why their actions against our nation stink so much.

parties and their leaders are the byproduct of indian education, indian exile during the panchyat era and i bet you if you count the days they've lived so far, they have spent more time in india than nepal. thus no sense of patriotism by agreeing keep the arm forces of an independent nation under a foreign watch. let's admit it, these leaders were gifted to power of nepal when india decided to block nepali borders for then king birendra buying arms and ammunitions from china. so it is obvious for our leaders to show their gratitude to the indian establishment for bringing them from exile to the elite. not just they show gratitude but they fully beleive and have faith in india that they can and will put them to nepali power at anytime. the relationship between india and nepali leaders are so surreal that it is almost like god to devotee relationship. but lets not fool ourselves here, india is more of a devil than god while the leaders are their evil messengers. so all in all...to sum it up....in 1990 we were blessed with this so called "democracy" not because of visionary leaders or true freedom fighting patriots but it was due to the shortage of salt, kerosene, and potato in the nepali market. so to think and believe this democracy brought under such circumstance was going to flourish and produce meaningful outcome was just lunatic.

so here we are today and history is trying to mimic itself. india has played the parties and maoist card to isolate the monarch only because time and again the only institution that has ever tried stood against indian direct intervention in nepal is monarchy. this time not only we have brought arms and ammunitions from china but took an active role in giving china observer status in saarc, which received a bitter reaction from india to say the least. so once and for all, india is set to abolish the instituation of monarchy from nepal, so that it won't have to keep dealing with threats she provides via china.

india just like itself wants full functioning democracy in nepal or does it? maybe that is possible only if nepal is a part of india?? or nepal can be independent and democratic just another bhutan to india. i'm disgusted by indian ploy in my motherland. these so call freedom fighting nepali leaders or the maoist do not care about nepal, they want power and they want democracy at any cost to the nation...be it a democratic nepal under direct indian rule or get to the power and make every decission to hurt the nation and benefit indian special interests.

we all want to live in a society where there is freedom of speech, press, and human rights protection. but we also want to live in a nepali society, don't we? the way i see it for now, institution of monarchy is the only real chance we have to save the REAL independence and sovereignty of our nation. we might not like some of things done by the kings now and in the past on a personal level but on a more national and patriotic level we need to give them our full support and have pride in that they have and will continue to say NO to indian special interest or any kind of direct indian involvement in nepal.

there will be a day and time in the future of our nation that we will get to enjoy the kind of democratic society we often envision because it is in evitable. but today and in this circumstance under the current leadership is NOT THE WAY.

full democratic nepal will be a natural progression because of a stronger, patriotic, peaceful, and united nepal.

long live nepal and her sons and daughters who are / will continue to fight against all foreign interests in her land.

jay nepal!

Monarchy must go! comeon this is the 21st century you people.

--VB

Hukka Nepali

I dont need a home...I need an apartment.

VincentBodega,
What would you welcome then?
GPK or MKN or BB or P or SBT as the President of Nepal?
Again the same parties, who declared maoists as terrorists once and had a list of them and now shaking hands with them so that they just want their share of nation. They never have clear motives nor transparency is in their brain.
21th century does not mean any thing great or unusual.
We need law enforcement and strengthning of judicial system.
We have seen satra saal ko andolan, then of 47 and now......it keeps going on roundabout.......but the same.....
Anarchy must go, we pray for it.
Saral

SaralJi, I don't understand why do you keep on blaming politicians (with short history) and don't want to see any flaw in royal system (with much longer history)? It is accepted that politicians are corrupted, but there is also a system which filters it. But why can't you see the bigger picture? The root of problem is not limited to politicans. Politicians can be blamed and can be replaced.

The signboard: Peace, govt.?s priority.
Other texts from left: 1. Confrontation 2. People 3. Ceasefire
Cartoon by Batshyan via Kantipur

Saral,
you opened my eyes. The King must stay!
Thanks Saral

--BV

It is really interesting seeing the flood of propoganda in Sajha after Paras' stupidity.

1. Paras does the only thing he is good at - beat up some cop for an insignificant event
2. People are outraged at this humilation
3. Royalists in Sajha and other Websites know that they cannot defend Paras or the Royal Government on this issue.
4. So what do they do? Flood Sajha and other blogs with flood of propoganda about weaknesses of parties.

Hello, parties have flaws but Girija and others can be replaced as evidenced by when he lost prime minister's position not one time but two times. Now, can you replace crown prince?

gwajyo ji,
Thanks for the question.
My bigger picture is still getting bigger and bigger.......this is a part of it..
Flaw is omnipotent, why are not the people discussing to eliminate or reduce it?
You talk about filtering and system for it.
Did any one build that system which actually was implemented?
"Replaced", who was ever replaced for their wrong doings and who could do that?
GPK and his lauda and above all his dictatorship inside party, resembles a kind of autocracy.
Yes the root of problems is not limited to politicians but it started from them.
That's why they will never ever terminate it or make a system that actually works to cope with it.
Royal system-longer history and politicians-shorter history, what does this signify?
They are inter woven as we take SBT and LBC.
First law of the nation should be the old one- stated by Prithivi Narayan a long time ago.
It need not be typed here, all Nepali know byheart.
Yet to be followed in this 21th century.
Saral

Saral: We need law enforcement and strengthning of judicial system.

This is a great point. However, how are you going to enforce law and strengthen judicial system when a certain section of the society is above the law and

1) can bang up a car in police HQ and beat up an IGP (irony is that taxpayers including your dad will be paying to fix his car)
2) can carry weapons and threaten a political party's office

And what is police's reaction after being roughed up by Paras? They in turn arrest some students without a WARRANT coming home from school and torture them. I am stressing the arrest without a warrant here because this again shows that police is above the law.

Hello, have you learnt anything from history? Do you know how the Maoist rebellion got so big? Because of police's blatant disregard of human rights and torture of civilians . Now, do you want the same thing to repeat in Kathmandu?

Democracy is the filtration system which wipes out the flaws from the system. In some place, it may take long, and in some place it takes short. Like in Bihar or Nepal, it might take long. But eventually the crooked leaders like Lalu prasad yadav is going to be replaced finally by the people. But there's noway that king's flaws will be seen by people; so we don't even need to have doubt about replacing him. The democracy built CIAA and gave them more power and there're several examples where some dishonest people were punished. I agree that it was not enough but it was just the beginning. If you care about the system, why does royals have to attack first on media? Are media also crooked? Isn't the media the one who lets us know about the real situation? Isn't it the media who writes bad against the politicans? Isn't it the media who eventually pressurized Dr. Giri to pay back the loan. He even denied to have any loan at first. But why did he pay at the end? It is just to fool us so that they can fill our mind only against the politicians and no new news are published against misdeeds of present regime.

If GPK and his lauda has dictatorship, their party is going to be split like it did. Eventually the effect will be in the poll, and they will have to lose the election.

I don't agree that the root of problems has started from politicians. Probably, you and I started to read the news since democracy; that's why we blame them and think that they started it. But I strongly oppose your view that politicians started to create problems in Nepal.

Royal system has longer history. Here, I meaned to tell you about the bigger picture. If you read the history, there was not much problem in Nepal before Shah dynasty. Problems started since shah dynasty. Though it was unified nepal geographically, but it didn't unify in any other mean. So, it was a failure. But I don't mean that it could have been better if Nepal were split among chaubise rajyas. Is Nepal's poverty and rising of shah dynasty just the coincidence? Are you kidding that we should go back to even before MULUKI AIEN to Prithvi Narayan's time? Definitely, all Nepali know by heart about the situation in Nepal, and royalists have less to do with true nepali sentiments. Coz' they think that poorest are those who don't even have enough to eat as DUDH BHAT.

"Yet to be followed in this 21th century". Your this sentence is just an irony.

regarding the 'indianness' of the maoist movement
it may be misguided
it may be brutal
it may be ultimately doomed to failure
but it is a NEPALI revolution. believe it or not, there ARE nepali people dissatisfied with the monarchy and the failed promise of an aborted democracy

regarding the 'indianness' of the political parties
yes, they lived their lives in india
but that was because they were f#ucking exiled
by the 'late great mahendra'

its pathetic really, this attempt to whip up anti-indian xenophobia to divert attention from the actions of the son of our latest avatar of vishnu

kissinger said that absolute power corrupts absolutely. and there is no more power absolute than a supposedly divinely ordained monarchy. who here in their right minds thinks that paras will work for the good for the people?

there was a time when constitutional monarchy was tenable in nepal. the time is gone. the king and his danav son assured it when they massacred their own family.

Saral Sharma ji:

I would like to clarify about my opinion. I used the term "Servant" for those who always see king as the Nepal and there is nobody true nationalists except "RajaBadi". I don't think that taking a National flag in hand means "Rastrabadi". People thinks that "Rajabadi" can only be the "Rastrabadi". What's our fault that we can't the be the Head of the Nation? So, there should a chance to all Nepalese equally to fight for all positions up to the Head of the Nation. And, who thinks that it is the "Pewa" of Shah, I want to say them as the servant of "Shah".

I would also like to clarify about the present political situation in Nepal. The Maoist and 7 parties are now united for their common goals. Just think that Maoist and Parties are competetor and Parties/Maoist and King are enmies. So, it doesn't a big deal if they are now in one agenda. It's the rule of Political Dynamics. I know you undertand well.

What do you think about the present governmnet? Are they clean and clear? Do you know about the corruption in Royal Palace?

good job, hukka nepali. I thought lord stopped makings people who admire to be ruled by people from some clan rather than by people chosen on merit. But you opened my eyes man-- guys like you are still around.

thanks.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Indian transit ban directly or indirectly influenced the 1990 revolution and the start of democracy in Nepal. Most of the senior political leaders at that time had some indian link. Even some indian politicians were involved. But does that mean the large public uprising was all doctored by india and the nepaese people had nothing to do with it. This is an insult to all the fellow nepalese who died at that time resisting the dictatorial attitude of the panchayati regime.

There has been a lot of arguments that the monarch can provide us with stability and peace and he can stand up against the indian influence. Well, if the peace comes at the cost of silencing all the voices, I wonder how good of a peace that is. And about standing up against indian influence; I wonder whom he is standing up for, the nepalese people or his own power. I have no problem with people supporting the monarch. But at the same time people should not have any problem when someone else speaks his mind and opposes the king. Sadly this is not happening in Nepal or even in this message board. As long as people keep on thinking themselves as the only right voice and keep suppressing other's voices in the pretext of being pro-indian or pro-political parties, I don't see how we will have our country rolling.

Finally I admire how shamelessly someone can argue that we need dictatorship to preserve free speech, civil liberty and democracy.

political parites and or maoists are not capable of bringing about change in nepal by themselves alone. not much discussion there. so what do they do? go down to india and get their help by agreeing and promising to who knows what kind of deals down the roads and its consequences on nepal and nepali people. we have been through this route in the past, during the 1990 democracy movement and we all know how successful that ended up being.

just like the america's war on terror in iraq. the sunnis, sheiks, and kurds iraqis who wanted freedom from saddam's regime; today some of their most influential leaders are coming out and pubically admitting that iraq and the lives of iraqis was far better during saddam's era than it is now. now i know nepal is no iraq nor the institution of constitutional monarchy is no saddam's regime. point to be noted here is that, freedom, democracy, peace, whatever name you want to give brought to a nation with direct foreign involvement is bound to fail. vietnam and afghanistan are other fine examples of that. i thought us nepalis learned after 1990 that free society at the expense of india was never going to work in nepal....but i guess we are itching for yet another example.

anyways, america is in iraq for the oil and anyone else who thinks otherwise needs a reality check. so i will let the intellectuals here figure out what is at stakes for india in nepal.

jay nepal!

before replying anything
are you monarchist?

What's at stakes for India in Nepal?

Here:
- Hydro resources (same reason as Bhutan's)
- Source of foreign currency from Nepal's tourism other industry that Nepal spents on unwanted (in India) Indian goods.
- Safe harbor for Indian criminals, crooks, and terrorists from Indian law (these are mostly Indian politicians or people close to them)
- Last but not the least hundreds of thousands supply of chinky eyed prostitutes and gurkha bahadurs.

Yes sir

We do need king .

We don't need.