King throws ball back to SPA

Is it a Deal of No Deal?

- http://www.chakrapath.com/dealornodeal.htm

ET has been saying that he will go back for 10 fuking years. ha ha ha !!!

Rein,

Here are some articles of mine that give you a sense of what I have thought about the king's takever since Feb 2005.


- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/235/StrictlyBusiness/1201
Subtext: Chile’s lesson: curtailing criticism means policy errors go uncorrected

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/245/StrictlyBusiness/198
Subtext: Nepali state as a landlord collecting rent

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/255/StrictlyBusiness/541
Subtext: Why business community must see in Krishna Pahadi's being in jail

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/272/StrictlyBusiness/3866
Subtext: Nepal is an aquarium, not a brass cauldron

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/282/StrictlyBusiness/10165
Subtext: Change in coming to Nepal because of demography, geography and globalisation

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ADVICE to political parties:

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/194/StrictlyBusiness/3214
Why valley residents were not joining the political protests.

There are others too.

Please visit: - http://www.nepalitimes.com/browse/StrictlyBusiness
for more

Of course, I'd be the first to say that everything I have written here can be OPEN to challenges, discussions and debates. That's the BEAUTY of sharing ideas in public.

I do not have the time or resources to join the street protests.
When it comes to public leadership, I am hopeless.
That's my limitation.

Therefore, you will never see me making any cliams on that front from me, though I question others who make such claims for themselves.

So, I focus on things I can do well -- putting certain ideas in the public domain, for what they are worth for democracy. Tetti ho.

oohi
ashu

Poonte,

No need to be defensive.
I knew that I was touching upon a sensitive nerve there.

But I figured, let me needle this guy, and see he he bites back (and then, process the lesson for myself so that when such needling is needed in other contexts in Nepal, I know how to do it more effectively).

Besides, in a democracy, your personally relevant PUBLIC utterings are OPEN to question all the time, just as mine are. Let's be mature about this sort of thing,
OK?

Other than that, you are welcome to frame this kura-kani in any way you wish, and that's fine.

oohi
ashu

NO DEAL !!

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Poonte,

I totally agree with you that final outcome of this movement should be Democratic Republic of Nepal. But a hasty move by brute force might result into anarchy and violence.

I think King's message is bit incomplete, but SPA leaders should bargain and make it complete, before they call off strike driven by mere greed of power.

This is what I think should happen

1) SPA should now start dialogue with palace, and minimum basis for compromise should be
i) SPA has authority and responsibility to choose prime minister and form coalition government
ii) Security forces should be brought under security council. With complete operational authority under security council. Palace should have no controll over security forces. There should be no influence from palace on security council.

iii) Palace should agree for constitutional assembly at appropriate time

2) If above minimum basis are met form a coalition goverment

3) Announce cease fire immediately start dialogue with maoist

4) Convince them to give up arms, they will not need it anyway cos their demand of constitutional assembly has been met and government security forces are under coalition government control. Tell them this is their one and only chance to safe land to mainstream political process and minmum basis is give up arms and violence

5) Hold free and fair constitutional assemble under UN supervision if needed

Then move on as per verdict given by public through constitutional assembly.


But if Palace, SPA or Maoist divert from minimum bassis of cease fire, end of violence and constituition assembly. Nepalese will wipe out their existence.

correction:

I think King's message is bit incomplete, but SPA leaders should bargain and make it complete, before they call off strike driven by mere greed of power.


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I think King's message is bit incomplete, but SPA leaders should bargain and make it complete, before they call off strike and they should not be driven by mere greed of power.

Ashu aka Ashutosh Tiwari (I am using your name because I hope you wont mind that. After all you have taken poonte dai's name) says

I do not have the time or resources to join the street protests

So who is asking you to join the street protests? And dont post those links here. Just like you, I do not have the time to read those articles/ posts again ("Again" because I have read most of your articles and posts before. Not because I like them but to see how one-sided one can become) . Just qoute a sinlge line from your articles/ posts where you have shown support to the democratic movement. Just one single line.

ANd mind you I am not asking you to join the street protests because I know you dont have the guts to do that. But like other "Intellectuals" (like doctors, engineers etc) who have shown support to the ongoing movement without necessarily taking to the street, why cant you do that if you are a democrat?

The reason is , as I said earlier , you are an opportunist, not a democrat. When king took all the powers in Feb 1, you were arguing everwhere against the democrats because then the parties' movement was weak. But as soon as the movement started to become strong, you sensed that king's days may be numbered. Thats why since last few weeks, you have started calling yourself "democrat" many times in every post. That goes to show you are being desperate now, that proves you are an oppurtunist.

Hello Rein,

I find your arguments simply lame. You are resorting to personal attack simply because you have no valid argument.

I am sure that the SPA and other intellectuals know that the mass in KTM has more to do with the Maoist threat (forcing them to take part in the protests) than their own willingness or their unterstanding of the word "democracy".

Haku

Nothing less than constituent assembly-SPA

keep your words!!

haku, one honest question... u say 150,000 people (according to CNN news) participated in the demonstation inspite of curfew coz they were afraid of Maoists. Now if someone buys that argument , i have nothing to say to that person. Who will take to the street when there is curfew out of fear??? and that too 150,000 people? So, if u have ur relatives or friends in ktm, and if they havent gone to the streets for protests, have they been terrorised by Maoists for not going to the street??? oh ... give me a break, will ya

Rein,

My family didn't go to the streets because they were not visited by the Maoist, however, the thousands of people from the nearby villages have not been so lucky. You have misunderstood my post, you should understand that the Maoists are forcing people to go to the street and not the opposite.

By the way, I do speak with the local people rather than blindly following CNN.

Haku

REIN STATES"When king took all the powers in Feb 1, you were arguing everwhere against the democrats because then the parties' movement was weak."

Yo MORON I supported the King at that time too. I was hoping he would solve the Maoist Insurgency and put the country back in the path of progress. But he did not THUS I CHANGED MY MIND.

People like me are oppertunists and people like Nepe and Poonte are not ? They are sitting here watching and scheming making sure their REPUBLICAN movement gathers steam here so they can go back and claim some sorta Kursiii when the time comes. he he Didn't both of them say they are going to be involved in politics in Nepal(IF THEY EVER GO BACK THAT IS).

Democratic movement ? what democratic movement ? DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT WAS 1990, WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN NEPAL WAS A RESULT OF GREEDY POLITICIANS FIGHTING AND BICKERING AMONGST THEMSELVES FOR POWER. MAO MOVEMENT WAS A RESULT OF WHOSE ACTIONS ? FUKING GYANEY WAS NOT RUNNING THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME !!! WHO GAVE THE OPPERTUNITY FOR FUKING GYANEY TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY ? GREEDY FUKING POLITICIANS FIGHTING FOR THAT KURSIII.

Prajatantra, while I have no doubt about your intention and I personally wished that things would go that way but I don't believe this cunning, arrogant and tricky king would allow things so smoothly.

Look at the facts of 12 years of democracy and constitutional monarchy in Nepal. Despite we had parliaments, elected government etc, our prime minister never could go against the will of the king.

Army had never been under the Prime minister or parliament or Defence Council and they never co-operated with the government.

During the tenure of Sher Bahadur, the prime minister was just a rubber stamp of the king and he did whatever the king wanted.

Even, UML's Bharat Mohan Adhikary couldn't stop increasing the allowance of Royal Palace.

When he replaced Lokendra Bahadur Chand with Surya Bahadur Thapa, he had said that Surya Bahadur and his government formed under article 35 and has the executive power.

When Sher Bahadur became the prime minster the last time, he was again the prime minister with the power of the same article.

But each time, there was article 127 that he manipulated and sacked the governments and re-instated whenever he wanted.

This new speech of the king no where admits his mistakes. He failed to make promise that he wouldn't touch that article 127 any more.

Some more points:
Unlike the tradition, he didn't dissolve this government before he invites the parties to form the new government. Which article of the constitution allows him to take the sovereignity of the power as a "naso" and return to the people at his discretion?

When the current government continues to exists officially, on what ground he can ask for a new government without dismissing it?

What should be responsibilities of the new "would be government"? In previous government formation, the king always gave directives and guidelings to function.

So, the parties should not plan themselevs or dream what they are supposed to do after embarking on the new governemnt. It should be pre-decided.

Once the leaders start talking to the king, the protest will cool down and again the king will start getting back to his shape.

The snake is just injured. Unless we crush its head, it will recover soon and will be ready to bite you again.

LARO KHAR KING, LARO KHAR SPA, LARO KHA MAOBADDI

Rein,

Haku is right. Perhaps you should remain on the sideline and enjoy the show. This thread seems to be outside of your league.

Bornfree,

Yup! That should fix everything. How come nobody thought about it?

LOL @ Bodmas

So Ashu, will I be seeing you tomorrow at Ratna Park?

King is smarter then all the SPA combined. SPA (what a name I am sure the crook politicians are all enjoying their drinks in the spa!!!!).
India is happy because its puppies GP, Deuba, Pashupati SJB Rana, Makanu etc are all in picture now. India wants to make our Nepal another part of its territory. And we like fools are protesting and giving bad name to our HM King. Shame on us.
We have become pawns of the crook-politicians. Now SPA will be in power (may be or maybe not). If they are in power will Nepal be prosperous? I do not think so.
The way people criticise HM King can they criticise any of our crook-politicians? I have not read anyone do this. What a shame.
My Nepalese brothers & sisters please wake-up to the fact that maoists-terrorists are coming to rule because SPA is also a pawn of these maoists-terrorists. Do you think you will have guts to protest once maoists-terrorists are in pwoer. FORGET IT.

Kalki Kapil,
Royalists some time put forward India as the scarecrow!
Royalists sometime put forward the maoists as the scarecrow!!

They produce the scarecrows to protect the king and his autocratic rule. They cry that without king, Nepal will cease to exist or India will take it over. But in the 21st century, its simply not possible for one country to annex the other.

They also say that without the monarchy, maoist will reign the country. In which book in the world, its written that maoists are not to rule the country? They can also rule the country if they come through constituent assembly.

King also can rule the country if he passes through the constituent assembly.

Otherwise, the modern world is for democracy.

Why does the king pee to announce the election of constituent assembly? Its simply not possible in the modern world to rule the country with heriditatory power.

Test your power in the public!