Maoist kill minor. You both must be pretty happy with what they are doing.

sure...i do that often. i wonder if the person who dares to contradict the idea (on valid basis) of many is called an egoist. thanks for the insight though :)

On the contrary, I think you do a great job challening other people's assumptions - I've quite enjoyed chatting with you. I only think when your's are being challenged you fall back on rhetoric and feeble logic that seems to be ideologically, and not objectively, driven.

bidhan,
as much as i find it funny, it amazes me to see you dedicating new thread each time to point out these incidents that maoists bring about. as far as i believe, i have transparently explained umpteen times in sajha about my stance on maoism and why i see them how i actually am seeing them. so i don't want to waste my time and san's server space on repeatedly iterating the same thing. it's not fun!

- http://sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=35092
- http://sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=32487

if you don't get the bigger picture, then i cannot help you. your prejudices about them is not helping and is not gonna help. period.

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it's been fun discussing the arm management issues with other sajhaians. this is what i have gathered.

1) everyone wants NA to remain neutral. and
2) everyone wants maoists to disarm.

WHEN? --ASAP. and for that, SPA and maoists both have to come into agreement. the sooner the better. as far as i see, congress still want monarchy. i don't know if they are presenting that rhetoric to bargain with maoists but that is not gonna help. maoists are ready for disarmament but as long as maoists leaders don't see that NA could well impede their cause, they are not gonna disarm. so it's high time we move on and do the necessary mutation of NA and create a feasible environment for a violence free and unbiased CA. the more time we take the better it will be for royalists and other external forces to manipulate terms.

LooTe

Sajahfuser..though you claim that there is nothing black and white.which we all admit.your support and dedication towards maoist cause , methods clearly indicates how superficial rhetorics you present here ... so, please don't say that you are peace loving nepali cause you are not!!!!your whole prespective is from other side of fence not in between!!!you fail to acknowlege middle grounds for peace whereas still chatting all the slogans of hardcore maoist ..as somebody pointed out more maoist than maoist themself. ...hahahaha

Captain Haddock,

Thanks, I too have enjoyed chatting with some who has patience to listen to what I have to say. I guess it's the maoist ideology(maoist as in nepal, not that of Mao Tse tung) that seem to impress me. As far as I know, it's the ideology that is required for the foundation of a country. Being a woman, I myself have felt the injustice in society in first hand, so forgive me if I have drifted in emotions. I wish there were more people like you.

ImI,

I don't like the fake peace where one has to cope with mental torture.

your real peace comes when you die so be prepared to die i am coming ..heheh:P

I guess, supporting Hezbollah is also justified, granted that not every Hezbollah patron/member, whatever indulges in suicide bombing tactics. What counts here is that Maoists are a terrorist group according to the United States, and given the fact that US dictates how the world revolves, Maoists have no credibility whatsoever.

LOL. come out of your american bed and put on your 6" thick spect to see the world with your own eyes!!! mr. american hehe

LooTe

America or Europe. Do you remember the Berlin Wall? Remember how professionals in East Germany were fleeing and jumping walls and what not to live in a free society? You, my friend, are a hypocrite. You live in a free society--America--yet, you support Maoism, or at least are sympathetic to what Maoists support. This is just laughable. Now, some form of socialism is good. Universal healthcare--I totally support. Education for all. I totally support. But hell, I don't support forcing people to do something they don't want to do. I support freedom and democracy, not terrorism. That's the nitty gritty.

Maoists kill people.
Royals have killed people.

I don't support terrorists. Plain and simple.

exactly.
the nitty gritty that you see and we see are on a different league altogether. i live in america that's why i support maoists err..."equitable society", i don't want to live in that nepal, where there is racial prejudices. i want to work together with dalits. that's my nepal.

LooTe

LOL. Racial prejudice is something that can be solved through education. You don't need to shove it down people's throats. I mean look at bombay, where people are totally oblivious to the caste system. Hell, even arranged marriage is dead in Bombay predominantly. You go to the rural communities, and things are not the same. So no, forcing things down people's throats may not work. Racial prejudice dies if you educate people. Maoists kill people. They have recruited 14 yr olds to fight for them. They basically abuse teenagers for their selfish agenda, and you think they're on the right track. uhhhh, okay. This is not what I say, this is what Amnesty International says, which is pretty much a commie sympathizing organization.

Hell, America too had racial prejudice almost 40 yrs ago, and it's not all fine and dandy today. They didn't have to take the path that you are espousing. Secondly, what about the Soviet Union, where Armenians are called "blacks"; where minorities are forced to not go anywhere at night because of racism rampant in Russia. Hell, China is busy ethnically cleansing Tibetans. Some parts of China that were never predominantly Han Chinese have been totally taken over by them, and minorities are totally angry about it.

I have no idea which fantasy land you live in, but I think it's high time that you wake up and smell the coffee. Communism just doesn't work. It's a fact of life.

Another point: if you think racism is gonna die down, you're just wrong. Racism will never go away. Take a good look at Latin America, where the color of the skin is associated with affluence. Dark skin is totally shunned upon, and hell they don't have the type of racial-awareness we have in the United States, but racism will always be there. Discrimination will always be there. I say education for all (we don't have enough money for that in Nepal anyway, but we sure as hell can strive for that) but you don't need to be a Maoist to realize that education is a right, not a privilege. I say that not educating a kid is child abuse.

i think no one here has to educate prachanda, baburam et. al. the most simple lesson of life these days that "communist does not work".

agree with you that education is a must. but realization and respect of the individual responsibility is even more imperative. how many times you have seen grauduate students from TC, ASCOL and some other institutions engaging themselves in vandalising vehicles, private and government properties? are they not educated enough to understand a simple democratic procedure?

for a democratic enviroment to flourish, it is absoultely critical that everyone remain within their periphery of ethics and responsibilty. we need a fear factor. if that is to come from gun then hell yeah! go for it.

the other thing is, its a revolution. don't juxtapose nepal with US or soviet union or china for that matter. we can set a different league. all we need is a confidence and realization. we can be a communist state yet be different from a monolitic communist states. name does not matter.

LooTe

agree. racism is a complex phenomenon. it is human nature to some extent. US is a prime example. so there you go, education is not the ultimate thing one should crave for to shun down racial prejudices.

i urge people like you to come out of the anti-communist prejudices and see things on an unbiased way. be it via socialist, capitalistic, communist approach we need to restructure our social structure which is hierarchical based as of now. we need to demolish this hierarchy and set up a platform for a just society. i am not saying its gonna solve the racial problem once and for all. but its the starting point. and from there you can proceed.

LooTe

Sorry, I just don't see it that way. If you want Nepal to be isolated and alone and be China's little b1tch, then perhaps a communist Nepal would appeal to you. But we all need to realize that even China has become cognizant of the fact that capitalism makes the world go round. Hell, what was China before they reformed their system to make it more workable? It's been a complete turnaround for China these days. And then, I also feel that India wouldn't want to do anything with a commie-haven either, granted that they champion democracy down there.
Maoists have killed teachers if they don't support the Maoist cause. God knows how teachers have had their heads decapitated. Maoists abduct young children to fight for them. This has been well documented( check Amnesty international).
Last I check, Prachanda didn't want to sway too far away from Mao's doctrine. This one book I read suggests that Prachanda and Co feel that China isn't following the visions of Mao, and openly chastise China because of that(this was a 4-yr old book--don't know if things have changed now).
Plus, we all need to realize how the commies took control in China and Russia.
Also, China is the most crooked country on the planet. They execute people who don't support their doctrines. Hell, in Russia, even Leon Trotsky had to run to Mexico(or wherever he ran) because the sort of communism he supported was not what Lenin wanted. There are so many examples.

My point: We need international support. No international support=no development. Money needs to pour in to Nepal. Who would want to invest in a commie haven? I don't think Nepal would either. Sorry dude, I don't think communism works.
I'm for freedom and democracy. We can always have a debate or two to solve our problems. We don't need impositions of any sort. India has a pretty robust constitution that guarantees that dalits are not treated like crap and what not. I do agree that some things in Nepal need to be totally revamped, but shoving things down people's throat is not a good idea.

Do you think Terabashis will support such BS? Got too many Shiva Sainiks and what not over there. They would rather join India if they don't see things going their way.

Well, I don't think the America of today is the America of yesteryear. We've got just too many educated people roaming around. If you look at America's political map, what you'll see is that the urban areas tend to be more liberal than rural areas. Rural areas=hickville. Full of uneducated folks. There is more to do besides basic education, you know. People around the suburbs tend to be liberal, but of course there are exceptions everywhere. Washington, DC has the highest number of college graduates in the United States, and it is very blue and liberal. 90% voted for Kerry. Liberals are more socialists and what not.
I'm personally a libertarian, if you wanna know.

That was my last message. Got to go, sorry.

I urge you to polish your knowlege a bit on what prachanda path is about. if you have read some of their recent rhetorics, they have clearly stated that Mao Zedong's People's Republic and cooperative party theory cannot fulfill the needs of today's world. it cannot address today's political awareness appropriately. they are into what they call “competitive party theory” which can assure their success in 21st century.

at recent times, they have reiterated that they are up for multiparty democracy. coz they feel that can only assure the longevity of their existence. yes! international support is necessary. that is why they want to mutate from conventional communism. as you say china is a prime example. had they not promoted capitalism, their economic prosperity at status quo would have been only a distant dream. nepal do have resources, all they need is to materialize them and make them sellable.

don't be carried away with incidents where teachers, women and children have been killed. as much as i condemn those acts, i take them as minor discrepancies that come along the way of a revolution. it should be remembered that maoists have always remain as underdogs. everyone tend to look upon underdogs with derogatory approach. so when they do one mistake, it gets magnified like hell. do you have any idea, how many innocents have been killed by NA itself in the last 10 years? do you know how many sufferers were brutally murdered during panchayat era. i am not pointing out another wrong doing to justify a wrong but mishaps do happen during revolutions.

LooTe

I don't buy that. And "minor discrepancies" you said? Killing teachers is minor discrapancy to you? Not to me. I value all lives, and that's how it is.
Secondly, I guess using your logic, supporting Al Qaeda is also okay, since some of the things they advocate--e.g. when they point out the fact that Muslims are being oppressed by the West--do make some sense. After all, dead Americans are just collateral damage to you. Right?

Sorry, but the things Maoists have indulged in, like, oh i don't know, killing people, totally trumps whatever positive things they bring to the table. Now, don't get me wrong, I do want a truce of some form or another, but the bottomline is that they're terrorists.
Now, I have never supported the King, never will. As I said, I want a democracy. However, I do feel that the King was unpopular because of some specious rumors they spread about him. For example, the notion that Gyanendra was responsible for Birendra's death. Wanna bet that this lie was promulgated by Maoists and Co? Even to this day, most Nepalis still believe that Gyanendra is responsible for Birendra's death. I mean, since when did Birendra become a hero? Gyane was a dumbass no doubt. He had to grab power and that just added to his unpopularity. He's just stupid.

It doesn't matter what they, the Maoists, iterate or reiterate, given the history of commies all around the globe. What they advocate or preach isn't necessarily always what they actually support or want to happen. That's a pretty fine difference, my friend.

I am not gonna read about Prachanda Path[seems heavily borrowed from the Shining Path], because I am not going to fall for clever rhetoric.

And please do not use the Panche card with me, because I do not support royals. Panches have killed people, and so have Maoists. They're two sides of the same coin.

RPU, you're having "little knowledge is dangerous" syndrome. First check how your attitude towards life is. Do you value (more)money or justice?

You say you don't support prachanda or the king so what's your point? It's the head of the SPA that's saving the king. You are the type of person who 'thinks' he knows and elongates talks.