Everyday thousands of people pray to God ask for things from him because it makes them feel better about it. For some it's the fear of the unknown. 

There is nothing God can do and the reason is very simple. The reason lies in the relativity and circular logic.

For example let's take us, human beings. We go about doing our own things. Let's say someone sneezes sending particles into the air. Each particle can develop millions of micro organisms within the particle. We cannot go deep into the sub nuclear level to see what goes on in there. There could be civilizations within that particle. There could be an organism which fears God and the god is the human being who sneezed.

In the same way, in the realm of our God, the whole milky way could be a speck of dust particle floating in God's environment. The God Civilization is completely unaware of this speck of dust but this speck of dust contains the whole universe, the whole milky way and the unexplanable void beyond which is just too large for the organisms within that speck of dust to comprehend. We do see how electrons and nucleus acts similar to the solar system so I draw the parallel universe comparision from there.

For each level of God there can be sub level creations and it can go on a circular way till we reach back on the starting God since everything about relative sizes. Relative sizes in one reality may be vastly different in different realities including different time cycles.

In conclusion, since GOD cannot ever experience or observe the minute sub sub atomic existence of their creation, they cannot in any way affect their life cycles. 

So don't worry about God, and enjoy life for what it's worth.

PS: Don't take this too seriously. I just had some time to burn and this thought had been dwelling as a possibility since the god discussion some time back

@ Rethink,

you never seem to get the point and you are misplacing the context. You have to use
critical thinking to debate. I cannot make head or tail out of your replies.

If you really have compromised on the visual verification system, then that is a step in the
right direction. Now you are free to search for the divine knowledge yourself.

@ Alternate,

All your pointers are basically the same, i have answered them before. Now, can you show me where
i said that only objective morality exists?. All the examples that i gave was about guided moral
values like not to kill, not to cheat, to be honest, not to lie, to be compassionate, to be
forgiving, to be egalitarian, etc. These are guided and purposeful process contrary to
evolution which is directionless, purposeless and unguided.

Now the examples you give are really minor ones like doing weed, smoking, eating beef/pork.
These are not objective universal moral values. Like you mentioned they are subjective. Religion
does not account for all forms of morality. But are not the above listed morals a fair amount
of accountability.

In contrast, Atheism provides no accountability for such objective moral values as listed
above. Therefore religion wins. Even 1% accountability is better than 0%.

I had be happy to discuss further about afterlife. Now let me start first by asking you what
is your definition for life?. Keep it short and sweet. No copy paste, no links.

Bravo!! You can't stop dazzling with stupidity, do you?

The simple answer that you said below as subjective are objected based upon religion. Are you saying that you don’t trust everything in religion – you should be tried for blasphemy. Just like you don’t trust some part, I don’t trust the part where it says there is god.

Until now you were harping objective…objective…now I see you seem to realize there are subjective morals too. With respect to objective truth and falsity, there is objective truth. But a considerable number of people don’t believe in objective truth- they believe even the “objective morals” can be explained from subjective point of view. Neither of proposition required religion, unless you want to bring in and establish a pandemonium.

Do you realize what you did: you assert objective morality is due to religion but subjective is human? That puts you in fix with religion and your master William lane Craig. I am glad you do have rationality, reason, and cojones to become an insubordinate, which if you follow with Reason leads to the door written “Atheists only.”

I thought you were a lost cause.

LIFE (of PI) – I couldn’t resist not posting a link. Today you’ll ask me not to post a link; tomorrow you’ll ask me to join your prayer; next week you’ll , with your telepathy and “miracle,” hypnotize me and make me a belieber (much more potent than a believer).

What is your definition for life? (You said no copy paste, so I typed your whole question just because you said “please”)

“Often the worst thing to do with what looks like a real philosophical question is to answer it. It can get in the way of fuller understanding of what the problem really is and where it comes from.’ (Barry Stroud) (TBH, This is a copypasta from the Internet.  

Life (designative view) – Birth to Death.

Life(expressive view) - I don’t think there is a purpose of life other than to live. It’s up to you what you make out of it. I remember a French saying (that’s how I remember – as a French saying) and pasting it from my mind: “The first half of your life is spent figuring out the second half, and you spend the second half regretting the first.” Whatever it be, I don’t believe in crap a dime (carpe diem) because it sounds painful.

@alternate,

let us close the morality chapter and move on, people have enough on their plate to reach
a conclusion. Let the readers decide.

We can still debate on the consciousness, afterlife and existence.

You did not define life but anyways let me ask you.

Does life end when you die?. I have used a simple logic to account for the existence of
afterlife which i explained earlier. Do you fault that logic?.(I am not using my experiences
of the unknown as you will call them unscientific). I could be wrong with this, so i am open to
corrections on this one.

Imagine a person about to die and being asked, "Does life end when you die?." I know the common
sense answer is "NO" because many people have died and we are still here. But this reality is
from the view of those who are alive. What about from the perspective of the person who is dead,
life should technically cease to exist after he is dead. But since he himself has seen life
continue after people dieing, he will say "NO, it will continue." He looks at life from our eyes
before he dies.

The answer to that question is always "NO" even though life should actually cease to exist. The reason
we can never say life ends is perhaps because that is the truth. It never ends. Not even after you die.
This makes death a part of life, not an end to life. So even after we die, we are still part of it.

DOES LIFE END AFTER YOU DIE?

YES-------->Actually, Atheists must say YES. This is the only logical answer to deny afterlife.
            As one is dead, everything is dead including life. Nothing exists anymore, including
            the life that you shared with other beings while you were alive.

NO--------->As life still continues and you are part of that same life, you will also continue to
            exist. You only cease to exist if life ceases. You may think why cannot i be dead and
            life continue?. This is not possible as unconsciousness cannot account for consciousness.
            If you are dead, everything is dead.

So actually, by answering YES or NO, you will be proving whether there is afterlife or not.
 

Freedom you are running away from the debate by saying you cant make head or tail of my reply. If you have any decency you should quote the part that you dint understand.

It seems like spending too much time with your imaginary beings have made you lose touch with reality.

 Freedom,"There is no such thing as a good conscience and a bad conscience, quit inventing things.When a person commits a murder for revenge for example, he will say that his conscience is clear. Therefore, conscience is not a good source for objective morality." There is no such thing as good or bad coscience ? Really ? I am an Inventor now ? lol  Before we go any further, you can never ever ever have a clear conscience after comiting a murder. So ther goes your Asinine Loigc. Conscience is not a good source of Objective morality ? Says who O Wise Freedom2012 ? lol Or did you just pull that outta yo ass ?  

Freedom,"Nurturing can be influenced by traditions and culture, so that also doesnt account for objective morality. For example, north koreans are nurtured to hate south koreans." O really ? Well thank you genius for letting us know that. lol  I did not know north Koreans hated the South Koreans. hmmmm.. I feel enlightened.

Simple logic sounds like rocket science to 10 year olds. I have not seen you to verify your existence. Just because you see sajha has let;s say a thousand members doesnt mean there are a thousand distinct individuals as members. Some people might have made 2-3 accounts, but that would account for just 1 distinct existence. What simple logic are you talking about ? You have not seen me to verify my existance ? Ok then I am not BathroomCoffee but that voice thats humming in your dunderhead. What else can we do to prove this dunce ? 

And i thought your parameters for existence was not about chatting with someone,but rather seeing someone face to face and experiencing. You reject God because 7 billion people cannot see and experience god. So why dont you reject yourself based on the same parameters?. My parameters of existance is not about chating but seeing face to face ? huh !! ok. I reject god,  yes & i have yet to see him. ok I reject myself ..lol who do you think is talking to you numskull ? The wall ? lol !!  

 

Freedom,

I did define Life in my previous post.  The designative view is a priori statement, and is true even if heaven falls upon hell, and they live happily ever after. The second one (the expressive view) is subjective. It depends upon an individual to give meaning to their life. Also, make note there is difference between meaning and reason of life. E.g. A musician’s meaning of life is to produce blissful and transcendental music; a monk’s meaning, perhaps, could be find an eternal peace. If you ask this question, chances are that you may not get a uniform response. Life is meaningless (a nihilistic view) on its own.You are not the first person to ponder over life and after-life, and certainly will not be the last person to do so.

Many philosophers devoted their life in finding the meaning of life in metaphysical terms. Several philosophers found it necessary – until 19th century – to reconcile their faith and their ideology, and as such had placeholder for faith in their finding. Immanuel Kant on his Critique of Practical Reason said   “I had to suspend knowledge, in order to make room for faith.” 

It’s upon you to give meaning to your life. I know you don’t like to read and links give you an allergy, but the link provides a good primer about meaning of life http://www.iep.utm.edu/mean-ana/

Your thought on after life –

I believe in after life. I once thought about this question. Does life end when i die?. So it was Yes for me, and No for the people who live on. But then i thought how can there be a Yes and No answer to that question and still be correct?. So i came to a conclusion. Yes life does go on after i die. But how can i know that?, I am dead!. No proof that life goes on as Science wants proof. The only logical thing would thus be that one still lives and life goes on. Otherwise life does not go on and should end with you.  

Let me try to simplify it:

Premise A à Person X is dead (No Life, as we know it)

Premise B à Person Y is alive. (There is Life)

Conclusion à There is continuation of life (even if Person X is no more (applying euphemism), hence afterlife)

 

Let’s do a derivation:

Premise A à Chicken X is dead – in fact, you ate it. (No Life, as we know it)

Premise B à Chicken Y is alive – it’s frolicking in the pen. (There is Life)

Conclusion à There is continuation of life (even if Chicken X kicked the bucket (applying different euphemism), hence afterlife (?))

 

For vegetarians, let's take an example of cake, and you do bring cake often to discussion.

Premise A à Cake X is dead (You ate it)

Premise B à Cake Y is alive. (It’s somewhere in a shelf in a bakery)

Conclusion à There is continuation of (shelf)-life of cake X (even if cake X cease to exist, hence afterlife (???))

Conclusion à You can have a cake and eat it too.

Now a Joke: I read this joke a while ago:

A Chinese boy goes off to the city to study at a university. Much to his parent's dismay, the boy decides to pursue a degree in philosophy. During his first break from school, over a large duck feast, the boy's father asks him what he has learned so far at school. The boy responds "well, for instance, take this duck here on the table. In philosophy, we learn that there are really two ducks, one duck is physical, here on the table, and the other duck is the idea of a duck that I form in my mind. Both are equally a "duck," even if one is intangible."

Taking all this in, the boy's father sits back, looks across the table, and says "okay then, I will eat the duck on the table and you may dine on the duck in your mind!"

For there to be justified true belief, for a long time it had to meet Plato’s assertion – A statement is true and had to be justified, which later on encountered Gettier’s problem. To make a bold assertion, you need to have testable evidence (Fact – Something that can be demonstrated to be true).

Concluding thoughts: If you can only sell your idea to ten other people, I will accept…never mind, I know who else to avoid. It’s an absurd proposition.

@Rethink,

see this is why i brought in the punjabi joke. You are constantly slipping on the banana skin and hitting
your head. The only thing left now for you to discover is that you were the one who threw the banana skin there
in the first place. This is why i keep telling you to look and walk. Otherwise, you will end up in ICU.

@Bathroom,

Normally, hyenas wait for the lion to finish eating and after checking the lion is gone, they come and feed
on the left overs like bone etc. The only thing that emboldens the hyena is the presence of other hyenas. Then
they start grunting, cackling. Then they start their cunning plan to steal what the lion has worked hard for.

Such is the existence of the hyenas. An elaborately cunning, aimless and deceitful life.

@Alternate,

I am just about to read what you wrote. I will reply soon.

 Freedom2012, 
And your point is........ ? Once again let me remind you what the topic of discussion. YOU DON"T NEED TO FEAR GOD.  Now what does this have to do with the animal kingdom ? lol !!  Are you seeing your god in those Hyenas ans Lions ?  You are still running around a tree trying to fug your own ass. lol !! This dood is just like LONDON LOOKING TOKYO TURNING. Will never get the point.  Reminds me of those Televangelists talking out of their ass when they cannot face the facts. Next thing you know he will start speaking in tongues.  Your Butt Cheeeks must be tired from all that yapping. 

 Freedom,

Your response only proves that you do not have the guts to participate in a debate without taking refuge in your imaginary hideout. 

The difference between you and me is: When you say something that does not make sense, I quote your statement and ask you to respond, and you make a fool out of yourself everytime. While, when you supposedly do not understand my statement, you are quick to throw out blanket statements claiming your superiority, instead of asking what exactly does not make sense. I give you a chance to redeem yourself, while you think you know everything so you are quick at claiming your imaginary knowledge.

Just like in your so called Punjabi *joke*, you keep slipping on the imaginary banana peel. I wouldn't be surprised if you go to an imaginary ICU because your slipped on an imaginary banana peel. Well, at least you can keep praying to your imaginary god. Your next stop is insane asylum, where most people have imaginary friends. You will fit right in.

@ Alternate,

I am not talking about individual existence but rather the collective existence of
everything that we call life. There is but ONE life. I am talking about this ONE
life that god created. Does this life exist after you die?.

We being a life ourselves are a part of this SINGLE life.

Does that life end after you die?.

Freedom you make the saying "stupidity knows no bounds" come true. Just because you are defending an imaginary being, you think you are allowed to make up everything according to your whims.

As far as God existing because millions of people blindly believe in religion, did you ever wonder where was god when there were no human beings in the world for millions of years? Did the animals who existed in the prehistoric times have to be held accountable for your objective morality? Or, is god not able to preach about objective morality to animals? 

How about some monkeys who are now experimentally brought up with human beings who have begun to show morality? Or dogs who show loyalty and morality to their owners.

Why does your God not give a shit about animals? Is that because they are not smart enough to make up an imaginary being and start praying to him?

Freedom it's funny you should say the pleasure of debating is lost especially when you are the one bringing up imaginary points to support your imaginary claims. You think that your imaginary examples supporting your imaginary beings is critical. Haha there is no more interest in this side to debate with you either so the feeling is mutual. 

While you go away, here's one thing for you to think.

Who created God? Perhaps another imaginary God? 

LOL

When you say stupid things like "Life does not end because one person dies." Obviously you are not talking about the life of the person who dies. Yes you can talk about the life of the universe, but when you are talking about one person's life, it ends when he dies. NO BULLSHIT philosophy please!

And another stupidest philosophy I've heard is that you didn't exist before we discussed. Just because this is philosophy you cannot bring such stupid logic to a discussion. That's like saying, I don't know your mom and dad, they don't exist for me so you cannot possibly exist in their absence.

Dude, stop your stupid philosophy. Even I can do stupid philosophy like you, but I don't have to because my feet are grounded on reality as opposed to your lofty imaginary philosophies.

"Who created your God?"

There is but ONE life. I am talking about this ONE life that god created. Does this life exist after you die?.

Let me rephrase your question: There is but one life. I am talking about this one life that GOD created. Does this life exist after you die?

I don’t think so. I don’t have a proof. No one that I know has a proof or knows a definite answer; probably you do but I don’t entertain fantasy. If you are going to answer “GOD” to every question, even the reason for you stupidity and callous answers - you should debate with HIM, not anyone here. I feel pity for your state of mind, seriously.

Now I think that you like to have last word, I’ll let you have one. Throw your blinkers of God and open up to the beautiful world- there is no difference sans your bigotry.  

"I don’t think so. I don’t have a proof. No one that I know has a proof or knows a definite
answer; probably you do but I don’t entertain fantasy"

IT is ok to replace god with big bang, it doesnt change the gist of the question. It is not fantasy,
it is an attempt to explain life. An attempt for those who are seeking for an answer. It is all
metaphysical but perhaps, we could find an answer. 

The way i see it you should say "YES, life ends." Because as per your belief, you become
nothingness and unconsciousness cannot account for consciousness. Once you die, everything dies.
Now this answer would also give a mystical nature to life, how could it end for you and continue
for the others?. This life is single, if it ends for one, it ends for all. Unless each individual
is part of a different life, then saying "Yes, it ends", contradicts the meaning of a single life
that we all share. But as we ourselves have seen people die and seen life continue, so the common
sense answer is "NO, life does not end." There is no scientific answer to this question, it is all
metaphysics.

Another way to look at life is like a never ending movie in a theatre. Just because you walk away,
it does not mean that the movie stops. It goes on. So the correct answer it seems is "NO". But it
could also be a "YES" and that everything ceases to exist (specific to your existence) once you
leave the theatre.

Thus, one cannot understand both answers from a Scientific perspective.  

DOES LIFE END AFTER YOU DIE?
 
YES-------->Actually, Atheists must say YES. This is the only logical answer to deny afterlife.
            As one is dead, everything is dead including life. Nothing exists anymore, including
            the life that you shared with other beings while you were alive.
 
NO--------->As life still continues and you are part of that same life, you will also continue to
            exist. You only cease to exist if life ceases. You may think why cannot i be dead and
            life continue?. This is not possible as unconsciousness cannot account for consciousness.
            If you are dead, everything is dead.

"If you are dead, everything is dead. "

I thought you to cut your stupid philosophy. We are talking about reality here not imaginary supernatural philosophies where you exist in different metaphysical planes. Although it sounds good enough to confuse others, it does not hold any water.

Its the same as saying "I'm stupid so everything else is stupid. " which is obvoius because you're too stupid to realize that others dont have to remain stupid. There is still hope for you to come down to reality.

You are again mistaking that all atheists believe in the big bang theory. Your mind is not open to understand that even after i spelled it out to you.

If you want to continue debating here, why dont you answer who created your God?