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kisr
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Posted on 05-09-05 4:57
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Sursab
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Posted on 05-09-05 11:16
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So what is the problem there to you. It is more for political image rather than actual use of arms. I had been to Nepal recently and found that people support the royal move as they are frustrated with political leaders. If you go on remote areas very few people understand what democracy is and what king has done now. If you brouse on media, most of the popular figures of the past are trying to justifying themself as royalist to get better position under king. Why G.P.Koirala has to shake hands with Deuba to reunite. Why M.K.Nepal join hands with other small parties??? All for power and position. Nepal has trillion rupees deficit on trade with India, why India should bother or not have good relation with Nepal. The only difference is figure, a man there. Political fegures used to ask everything to India for their decisions, present powerful man takes the decision himself but makes sure he informs India.
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kisr
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Posted on 05-10-05 7:52
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trade of Kalapani for arms, that's how the royalists are nationlists.... your nepal is ktm elite who have good connection with the darbariya or the politicians...so no matter who comes its no problem
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sparsha
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Posted on 05-10-05 8:34
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kisr, Though the comment is aimed at Sursab, I was wondering if you could elaborate on what you wrote "your nepal is ktm elite who have good connection with the darbariya or the politicians...so no matter who comes its no problem..." What is Nepal and where does it exist? One who denounces Maoists is not a Royalist, neither is he/she a Maoist who denounces Royalists. Questioning corrupt political leaders does not make one either Royalist or Maoists. The nation is above any 'isms' or "ists". The significance of all these 'isms' or 'ists' is to secure, defend, and expand national interests. India does not and should not worry about glorifying Nepal's interest. Whatever India does, does it for itself. We should be exploring more and more of those venues where neither us (Nepalis) nor them (Indians) have to compromise on national interests. This task is not easy, espcially when our nation is run almost all the time with India's blessings. We can't move. India is and will be our neighbor. So, we should learn how to live mutually with it (India) rather than complaining all the time about Indian policies. We are watching a game in Nepal. Quite a few good players are there, but experts, who don?t play, are plenty. We the viewers are among those experts. We like to complain. Complain all the time. Neither can we play, nor we want to. Although, we want the team we root for to win, we want someone particular to score the victory for us. Here ?us? means just us who root for our team. We care less for the game, the other team, and fairness of the game. If our team wins: the game is good, and we are happy. If our team loses: the game (including those who invented or ever said one or two good things about the game), fairness, opposing team (players and supporters), referees all suck. I wonder what do we want? And whom do we think would deliver what we want to us and for what?
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Mitra 2
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Posted on 05-10-05 10:13
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Police force was used against the demonstrators during 90's popular movement. When the democratic forces started winning the game, they attacked police and killed them brutally calling them Mandalays. After the restoration of democracy, the leaders had to spend a couple of years sincerely to win the trust of police force. After all, security forces are to safeguard the nation no matter who comes in the government. Similarly, when the Maoists war began and they started killing people belonging to Congress party, it seemed that other political parties were quite happy because their common enemies were being crushed by the rebels. Their views towards Maoists changed only after they realized that they were no safer. After the royal takeover, the common enemy for the political parties is king. We want every nation to stop the arm supplies to make the king weaker. It is a good pressure strategy but is it also our responsibility to protect our security forces? Let's not forget that our democratic leaders are the ones who requested such foreign aid to combat the Maoists. I wonder if these flip-flop leaders are the reasons why these security forces are more loyal to the palace.
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sparsha
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Posted on 05-10-05 11:07
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Loyalty does not spring from a piece of paper even if that peice of paper is the Constitution. Common Nepalis have sensed that political leaders are no better than the void slogans they -those so called leaders, who loved to be called champion of democracy but democracy means "their-way" for them-chant. If political parties unite for the sake of the nation and Nepali people, the king-regardless of whose loyalty he has-cannot challange them-a unified political force. All political parties seriously need to reevaluate their structure, and the goal(s) they claim to stand for. A political party does not have to be in power to serve the nation. This is certainly a good time for the political parties to prove who they are and what they really believe in.
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Posted on 05-10-05 1:57
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kisr
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Posted on 05-10-05 5:53
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The elite of katmandu are the one breeding these corrupt king, army, police, the bearucrats and the polticians. Most of the elite are themself corrupt, so they have no problem who is in power. You blame the politcian, but go dig down in your family, you are bound to find the corrupts. Look within yourself... yes you can come out here in Sajha and lie, but you can't lie to yourself.
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kalo_bhale
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Posted on 05-10-05 6:05
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Give me Kalapani.........I will give you arms.......... That was India's condition to resupply arms............and the royalists gave Kalapani.........
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kalo_bhale
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Posted on 05-10-05 6:21
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It is unfortunate that Nepal's government have to bow with Delhi to remain in power...... (Delhi lai na chidyaune niti).............no matter whether it is king or Political parties...... Political parties also bow with India to remain in power, they want india's "Nigaha" to come back to power. King mahendra also had "Delhi nachidyaune niti" in 2017 and remain quiet in Kalapani's case (See "Nepal", as quoted by Rhisikesh Shah) and now again King's government is quite in case of Kalapni and it is due to "Delhi nachidyaune niti" So everytime Nepal is losing and It is unfortunate that Nepal's government have to bow with Delhi to remain in power
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kalo_bhale
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Posted on 05-10-05 6:26
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Not just political parties and king, Once upon a time, Maoist also had "Delhi nachidyaune niti" to get shelter in India and increase their political activities in Nepal to come in power....... So, It is unfortunate that Nepal's powercentre has to have "Delhi na chidyaune niti" just to remain in power
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Sursab
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Posted on 05-10-05 8:37
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In countries where the government and political environment is honest, generally you will find that the people are honest,law abiding and helpful. And the reverse is true too. In a corrupt environment, an honest person has a tough time. Whereas in an honest person environment, the corrupt one has tough time. Culture in any place always goes top down, never bottom up. We need to step back and look at what kind of environment we have created for ourselves and those around us. It is tough to expect positive behaviour in a negative environment. Where lawlessness becomes the law, honest citizens become cheats,crooks and thieves. Is't it time to evaluate the environment that we are in or we have created for others?
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Sursab
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Posted on 05-10-05 8:53
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Kisr, Some people criticise no matter what. It does not matter which side you are on, they are always on the other side. They have made a career out of critisizing. They are 'career critics'. They criticise as if they will win a prize at a contest. They will find a fault with every person and every situation. You will find people like this in every home,office,family and in sajha too.They go around finding fault and telling everybody how bad things are and blaming the whole world for their problems. We have name for those people. They are called energy suckers. They will go to the cafeteria and drown themselves in 10 cups of tea and coffee and smoke of their hearts content with one excuse:they are trying to relax. All they are doing is causing more tension for themselves and for other around them. They spread negative messages like a plague and creat an environment conducive to negative results. You did exactly the same blaming the king, politicans,army, police and bearucrats(who else left??). Yes, corruption is everywhere otherwise you would not be in foreign land.So, be positive and learn to live life.
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