Need for a PRO- Pahadiya  political force ?

 

We all have been following the recent political development in the country and no matter what I am getting frustrated day by day.  And recent election of Vice-president is kind of a last drop.

 

What I am proposing and working towards is a kind of Pro- Pahadiyas political force. Now its been crystal clear that so called “ national parties “ are incapable of protecting our interests , and not only that they are even afraid to raise the voice.

 

 

So I would like to put some questions here for the discussion.

 

Do we need a pro-pahadiya political force?

 

What kind of force ? A political party? A  pressure group?    A secret lobby group? A secret intellectual think tank?

 

Do you  think that a equally strong but opposite political force to neutralise the “Madhesikaran” , will be necessary? Good for country?

 

Will such political force be viable in the long term and be effective , without any foriegn support? What are the possibilites or non-possiblities?

 

Would you financially support these kind of forces ?

 

rewire,

nless our reliance on India for the basic necessities can be substituted with an alternative, I'll say DREAM ON. Madhesi know this and that is why they're so BALLSY. Cursed with the treacherous terrain, our only hope will be China. If we can get food and fuel from China, then we have something to start with. Other than that, I don't see how you can defeat the Madhesi.
Look towards the North, learn Chinease and make your moves. That's all we can do right now.

i dunno why we nepalese curse our geography as it has helped us in plentiful ways. i also understand that our mountains are not suitable for tunnels, railways tracks etc but they have a crtical role in identiying Nepal and bring dollars.

one of my committee member is a chinese and we have become good friends over the years. china is trying to plant railway tracks but India is against it. see this is why we think we have to rely on India for everything. India has brain washed us for generations that salt can be only imported from them - nowhere else. 

BTW, what is NRN doing these days???

 

I thought I was the most liberal and open minded person.. But once failed to find any valid reason - why Jha took oath in Hindi for veep post.. I also feel what Rai has raised in this thread is not unnatural..

However, I am not for some communal group specific to pahade or madhesi.. Instead something like 'pro-nepali' would be good. Possibly, there must be done something to neutralise this unnecessary indian-influence in nepali politics and society , which is posing a serious threat to country's integrity, sovereignty and our self-respect.

pro-nepali sounds good.

That is exactly what I am saying Unicornis brother....... Everyone thinks that and also thinks there is no way around it....... As far as salt it concerned I have been reading up on Brine water in Narsinghe Khola in Mustang district..... If we utilize our resource we can bring salt from there and supply it to all over Nepal...... Man there is also lot more resources in our Pahad that is hidden that we just don't have any know how to exploit it........

I don't know about NRN because they came into existence for a while now and I haven't heard anything significant about them beside some here and there stuff........ I think Mahabir Pun dai has done more for his village than these so called NRN's......

Brain Malfunction as much as you don't want these groups, they are there and they are here to stay no matter what.......

Nepal Bro,

yes, u are right. our major rivers have some capacity to supply salts and we have chemists to make it. is just sodium sulfate.

i like the idea of Maddog also. lets form a group which will be a mixture of all fields from IT to political science.

rai bro and others: please respond to Nepal Hero bro and my comments

 

Nepal bro,

u are also right about the potential of our pahads. and there are ways around indian reliability. we can become self independent to great extent if we work hard.

Pun dai has done awesome job.

See I also don't hear anything about NRNs. Wonder what they do??

Unicornis , Nepali Hero 1 , and all the contributor of this thread,

I respect and appreciate your enthusiasm and selfless nationalism. AND yes I do believe many things are possible in our beloved country. and we have to do whatever we can to build the nation.

BUT

Current situation is different. I think we all should concentrate in making a fair constitution which is accepted by all and fair to all. According to my analysis , we are going to write a new constitution with a gun pointed on our head, and of course lots of foriegn interests. MPRF has only 10% of seat and about 7% of total votes and still they are getting everything they are  demanding . Believe me the demand is not going to stop anytime soon, on contrary it will simply gets bolder and bolder. Those of you who think Madhesi President and V-president is the zenith of Madhesis demand , should only wait and watch. They have already got 50% seats in all the gov institutions and they are not going to stop here.

What we should focus right now is to stop this madhesikaran, and only way to do it is to make some bold statements from established political powers. Our job should be to create this environment so they they can write and speak for our cause. There is a environment of threat and intimidation in the country , anyone speaking against Madhesis are quickly labeled as one inviting civil war. and any kind of statement is considered as a retalations against madhesis. Thats why nobody is saying anything , and this passivity is only empowering the pro-madhesh forces.

I actually seek some one bold enough to demand 50% seats and jobs for non-madhesis in Terai. Why should it be any difficult? If equal participations is Madhesis slogan why not 50% jobs for non-madhesis in Terai?

 

to be continued .. I have to have dinner now..

 

rai sir,

how do we create such environment and how fast?

i believe u are not in US, right? cause it broad daylight her in the US and u are going for dinner.

Nepal bro and other similar minded people - i think if we can send our message across oceans and to a neta who can stand-this will stir something. i am even ready to voice for Prachande/Baburam or any pahadi for PM.

i have to go to wrork now but keep on discussing.

What we are planning now is flooding the Nepali press with pro-pahadiyas views. We are working towards a full feature interview of one of the leader of Chure-Bhawar  to highlight why and under what circumstances they were forced to creat a new group. Of course they also voted for Pramananda but  would they have done same if they were a bit stronger political group?

 

I think what you all can do it go to Nepali times website and take part in discussion there.  It is read by influential circle in Nepal and they have to feel that there actually is a broader support for pro-pahadiyas views across all the Nepalese circle and hopefully that will make  people supporting our view to come forward in national scene. Pro-pahadiyas views are like sin in nepal , but we have to work towards making it into a main stream. 

rai dai good point....... I could see your point and I am so glad ur on our side..... And yes we are glad you are looking after such issues...... I would say you focus on those things first.......

Unicornis bro why not start our own group about development of Nepal and that gives us a chance to do research about Nepal as well........ I mentioned in your past thread that u have done some research in Nepal and its natural resources that could help....... And I think when rai dai thinks it right time incorporate others he will do so and we will join then........ R u up for it bro??? Let me know what u think.....

will do rai dai.

Well it seems like we are many on the same level of thinking and support  the ideas of  neutralising Madhesikaran of our country. I have now created a google group for discussion, from where we can brainstrom and creat  influence for our cause.

The group address is

http://groups.google.com/group/thinktanknepal

Please write something about you and why you want to join the group. The adminstrator has to accept your application.

This group is only for those who strongly believe that we have to do something to neutralise the unstoppable MADHESIKARAN of NEPAL.

rai dai,

Just a question?..... I have joined the group and was just wondering will this be political pressure group only or are we going to talk about how to start with development of Nepal as well...... I mean either ones fine because we have to start somewhere but just curious.......

Unicornis bro do u still want to start something??.......

NRN is nothing but a group of opportunists. So, I don’t expect anything from that organization.

 

I am thinking about starting my own party, will have the website soon. Care to join?

NiloAkash bro if you are serious about starting something that is great...... You can count me in but if its similar to what we have discussed in this thread and about development of Nepal than why not just join us instead of creating new org....

SAVENEPAL.COM

Lets start everything from this website to help Nepal from being dissapeared from the map of the world.

No discrimination on the basis of sex, race, ethnicity, region, caste, and personal status.

Hope  Our San will start working on this website as soon as possible.

 

Nepal_hero bro,

Sorry for the late response. i was stuck with smth.

Currently, I am more into saving the habitat of Nepal's Wildlife. One of the proposals just got denied from Wildlife Conservation Society, US.

But when I was in Nepal with my Advisor, we visited a stream in Malekhu for geology study. It is a perennial stream even though the water is low during dry season. He suggested that we could plant a machine (I forgot the name but I can ask him) right in the middle of the river and generate electricity. As u know we built concrete dams that has several -ve impacts on the environment but this one do not require such contruction. This is feasible and can generate enough power for the whole nation starting from a village. I don't know how much it cost etc but I can find out. I went to Ghandruk and saw this possibility or we can contact Pun dai and start in his village and go from there.

But the reality is that I am just a poor grad student who has 3 jobs and supprt family back home and here. I just want to graduate and find a good job and continue working towards this dream of mine. And I would need friends like u along the way so we will keep in touch.

This is why I asked what NRNs are doing cause they have the patta as a strong weapon to start smth in Nepal.

TO ALL who are vending their anger on Sajha.

I have previously proposed pro-pahadiya political force in this thread, and day by day it seems more relevant. What we need is a mainstream pro-pahadiya political force if we DONT want another bloodshed in our country. Sooner or later if the mainstream nepali samaj keeps ignoring the growing dissatisfaction of a general population towards increasing madhesikaran , we are going to see another armed group with non-political agenda like killing  indiscriminate madhesis. Thats why what we need is a political force, a legitimate voice to raise OUR issues. A big and legitimate political force will no-doubt try to neutralise the growing madhesi influence in Nepali political scene.

Right now Madhesi force in the nepali political arena are like a unstoppable and inconvincible force, thats why they have the courage to threaten the whole country, with out a voice of dissent.AND I AM 100% SURE THAT THEY WILL GET THE NEW CONSTITUTION, TO THEIR LIKE BY ANY MEANS. We have only seen the start of madhesikaran in Nepal with the Jha taking oath in hindi.

Ok the question is what we can do or what we are doing. We are a group of people from various profession but with a single goal of preserving the National Unity , and thereby our Nation. Our National Identity is Nepal and Nepali language.  We have to preserve it by any means. Some of us  are working in Kathmandu to create a group who will work in creating a consensus for a Phadiya force. We are also working towards creating a environment in Nepalese media so that pro-pahadiya views becomes a main stream and not just a protest voice. We are a small group with limited but effective resource.

We need your help. Thats why I created a NEW google group called ThinkTankNepal. Idea is to develop it as a discussion forum to create , formulate and ultimately implement the pro-pahadiyas agenda in Nepali political arena. In that forum I function as a adminstrator and I will update the works we are doing back home.

I know some of you have reservation regarding the name" pro-pahadiya", But consider it as a principle and not a geographical nomenclature. Pro.pahadiya for us means pro.nationalist. and we will use " SAAM, DAAM , DANDA VED to achieve the nations supremacy. We can only do that by neurtralising the BIG PRO:MADHESI force.  Let them be a political actor in Nepal but not the ONLY political actor like current situation.

So if you agree and want to contribute on the discussions please join the group here. Its a closed group so please indicate why you want tó join the group and a little bit of your background would be appreciated too. I have recieved many many request to join to group with out these things so I had to reject the application. We all would like to know about the members and their background.

The link to the group is

http://groups.google.dk/group/thinktanknepal?hl=da

Google think tank is a good idea so all the frustrated people in Sajha join hands with rai dai and others so we can have a common platform to send our message home..... Come on guys....