Part A

Who gave birth to Maoists?

7 parties

Who nourished Maoists?

7 parties

Who declared Maoists as terrorists?

7 parties

Who issued Red Corner notice to Maoists?

7 parties

Who placed prize money for killing Maoists?

7 parties

Who tried to fight Maoists while in power

7 parties

Because of whom did the King have to intervene?

7 parties





Part B


Who killed the members of 7 parties?

Maoists

Who kidnapped members of 7 parties?

Maoists

Who chased away villagers by asking for donation?

Maoists

Who refused 7 party entry to villages?

Maoists

The parties declared elections but who stopped it?

Maoists

Democracy in Nepal means loot the country's economy...take care of your family, and the next 5 generations.......make sure you have enough.and then act like you care about the people........That's what it felt like when we actually had so called Democracy. Not siding with you Phatte does not make anyone a Rajabadi........I thought democracy entitles everyone the right of their opinion,,,,,unless you have Maoist's agenda.........take what you want by force........Make people fight for you....and advertise as if it is really a War for the People.........Why can't Maoists come out of their spider HOLES and face the people...say in streets....lead a protest....and let people decide.....if they really wanna fight for them................I have no problem what the 7 parties are doing....atleast they are fighting in a daylight......unlike Maoists...who attact from behind...coz they rule by the power of FEAR ! Period !

.i see your point. my only grudge is that you fail to realize the leaders were learning as well, and it was as much our responsiblity to teach them things as it was theirs to teach us things. no?

But, our Leaders felt as if they were above the Law.....isn't that right???

.maybe some leaders. that was their fault. our fault was failing to bring them crashing down to earth and to make them realize no one's above the law. in a sense that is what we are doing now, no? bringing someone, something crashing down below the law.

it is easy to blame the leaders. i am not a leader-apologist, my view is if they've done something wrong, they've got to pay. but at the same time, i cannot say that all leaders have to be altruistic, patriotic and nationalistic and nothing else. how can that be possible. each human is looking after his/her own welfare and trying to do the best we can. the leaders are also the same - looking after themselves.

Century-long feudal system created Maoists. King, royal family and their chachas who kept on oppressing the poor people created Maoists. They surfaced out during the democratic era only because after 1990, people started to know about their rights.When King was ruling directly before 1990 janaandolan,alll the state did was preaching people that king is bishnu ko avatar. But after 1990, people became aware of their rights. Peope came to know about things happening all over the world. So to fight against the feudal system, Maoists came to the scene. But as their movement gained some momentum, they started taking the color of terrorists. So mandales crying desperate here in sajha, get it to your thick head.

I am not sure how the uneducated people will teach the leaders. And I don't agree necessarily that the leaders are learning as well. There are certain things where you can not make mistakes because the cost of it is very expensive. If the leaders were learning too, that should have been clarified. They presented as if they were the monument of democracy and then they started to loot the country. Worse ... They never accepted any mistakes that they made. If they did, they did it in general terms. As you can probably see, I am very pessimist when it comes to the current leaders of Nepal. But it is for a good reason.

>> Maoists came to the scene. But as their movement gained some momentum, they started taking the color of terrorists >>

After the revolution of the 90s, they came to the scene, people rejected their agenda during the election...and they went underground...and became terrorists.....

C'mon rein...we all know that !!

God created them, may be bhagwan bishnu

.definitely the "leaders" were learning as well. shouting democratic slogans from khulla munch, or being jailed in sundarijal, or living in exile in banaras is a FAR, FAR cry from actually sitting in the leather chairs of singha darbar. the leaders could not have come with an "endowed" knowledge of what they should do and how they should act. it is very much a learning process for them too. and the fact that the leaders were making blunders from the get go (girija's, "yo jit panchayatko pani ho") at least as perceived by the public is proof/clarification that they were learning.

.that you perceived them as democracy-gods is perhaps your fault? (mine as well, that was just a rhetorical remark.) the "uneducated people" (i hate that phrase) shoulda/coulda taught the ktm-bound bigwigs how to listen to them and instill some of the grassroots democratic flavor into the national system that was actually realized to a far greater degree at the local level.

1. Nepali feudal society created Maoists,
2. Girija, Deuba, and Bamdev's wild rulling manner over the country was the main reason for the growth of them. Maoists leaders ablility to use every moment in favour of them also worked to some extent. For example, people got irritated from the emergencies and disliked the rulling parties.
3. The King's cunning intelligence made it achieved the climex. People definitely wanted a fair and free government. But, rulling parties were fighting for even for a futile posts to appoint their own cadres instead of thinking of development. An example: Sher Bahadur and EhMaLe were fighting for appointing their cadres to the Governor of Nepal Rastra Bank for the more than one month until they were sacked by the King. Then how come a country will get developed?

I don't expect the leaders to come with "ready-made" knowledge on democracy. I also agree that we all make mistakes. When it comes to making mistakes, repetition is important. Everybody makes mistakes, but if they repeat it, there is a problem. And that is what happened in Nepal with all the leaders. You used "yo jit panchayati ko pani ho" example. Good example. But what happened after that? Girija started taking all the ex-Panchas in his party because they were rich. Then he started giving them the same ministerial posts in which they were in only a few years before. Then he made coalition government with them. How many times can you repeat the mistake before you learn the lesson? If the leaders do things like that, what would ordinary people do and expect from democracy?

.so you see no blame accruing to you, me or the general public in this entire intercourse? why did you,me,us let them repeat their mistakes?

btw, i don't think girija was particularly at fault for saying that. i mean it wasn't like the nepali people, we, were ready to stomach prosecuting the panches.

Well, I really don't think that we can blame the general public for what happened in the last 12 years. When we talk about the general public, we are talking about the entire Nepali, more than 50% of whom are living under poverty. Their day-to-day chore is to find enough food to survive that one day. There is no way that they can monitor what these leaders are doing. There are, of course, few people who are above poverty, who are "educated" and so on. But how much can these few people do? And may be you are right about "letting them make the same mistake". Since there was no force to monitor them, the leaders felt that they were "invincible", as a result, power polarization started to happen. But I still don't think that we are there yet where we, the ordinary citizen can monitor the leaders, like what happened in France recently.

Why you guys just blindly support either king or parties?

On another note--whats wrong with ShresthaN's thread?

Looks his points are valid? If you disagree then try to counter each of his points with justification...not just simply by saying "oh he is a royalist."

.ah France. that's interesting - but you know people were fighting for themselves, out of desperation, frustration, fear that what they were enjoying would be taken away. i will bet you my bottom dollar that the same piece of labor legislation will be implemented in France - it may take decades but there's no escaping that.

and i doubt many other countries have more people (as a fraction of the total population) interested in politics as in nepal, albeit it may be limited to idle chiya-pasal banter for most people. and i agree, we aren't there yet - but that's the excitement, no? we have somewhere to go!

We have had a really interesting discussion. Good ideas. Thanks for your patience to wait for my response and actually responding too. Yes, good news is, like you said, we have lot to explore. The bad news, of course is, that we are suffering really bad in this process.

The undisciplined and corrupt leaders are most responsible for birth of maoists. India is also responsible but they are outsiders. So our leaders should be punished.

WOW, Aishwarya rai on sajha telling the Nepali leaders should be punished!! lol

I agree with you shresthaN..

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sheresthan l\jeee
when did ever moist ever kidnap seven party leders? i fhts t would have happen that would be my best day.