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ImI
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Posted on 07-26-06 10:16
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I still remember morning of September 11, 2001 when CNN repeatedly broadcasted the plane striking the twin towers. The TV was on all day and same clip was repeated again and again. My two year old nephew was watching the TV though unnoticed. The affect of 911 remained as an inerasable image in kid. He was repeating the events “mama plane hit” he was repeating for months. This was the example of the violence and it’s after affect, just by watching the violence of such degree on TV. Imagine you are victim of such violence. You or your relative was inside the twin towers, train, bus or plane .What would you feel? How would you feel? Did you deserve death burning in the building like that? Did the innocent people deserved to be blasted into pieces??? The violence is the strength of the terrorist with out that they are nothing. It is the fear game they play. Was their so much strength on their belief had they had enough convincing power would they be in the other side of the fence? There has been a lot of confusion between freedom fighters and terrorist. Though they are both trying to achieve social, political and religious change, their methods are clearly different. Often the later one uses intimidation and fear to convince people at the gun point that their demands are legitimate. Often the Terrorist are considered freedom fighters by their believers, who believe in violence .They are self proclaimed freedom fighters. The objective and goal are so dear to them that they forget the humanity, compassion and moral. Anything that comes between them and their goal is immoral and only their goal is moral. Even if ,I am stressing even if ,their demands might be some rational ,their irrational method , make their demand more ilegitimate.Most of the time these terrorist use this kind of method of violence to come to power as they know that without gun they are nothing and their demands holds no significance or legitimate to the common masses. They use the tactics of divide and rule. They would pick of fight in such issues like religion, caste, and politics. The philosophy behind terrorist organization and member are blinded by their one belief .they do not consider any thing beside their purpose any value. A proverb reminds me “mero goru ko sorahai takka” .They often become violent stubborn. Can we put Parchanda or Osama in place of Gandhi, Mandela or Dalai Lama? Can we say Osama and Prachanda belong to same category as Mandela, lama or Gandhi? See the method (peace), see the cause (freedom of country), these great leaders, freedom fighters Gandhi, Mandela and Lama made themselves heard. They didn’t use intimidation. To make people hear these terrorists (insane people) not only destroy their life but also innocent lives of many. Their act not only leaves physical damage but also psychological. Most of the terrorist organization is driven by some people who want to be in power. The whole power game in controlled by violent game. These selfish people in their dream of overpowering people become so blind that they do not consider other people opinion an opinion. Most of them do not believe in democracy of fighting against one. Such is the case of Muslim terrorist organization and Maoists. Here some people consider Maoist freedom fighter; these people are perfect example of supporters of terrorism, which kind I have already mentioned before. The distuction, the loss of life is no way justification to satisfy their political demands. Just like I mentioned above , intimidation, at gun point, running in the signal of wanna be in power people is running the communist party of Nepal Maoist. After losing faith in people and democracy they opted the method of violence to put their demands .Their method makes them terrorist not their demands!!!!!!! Is killing innocent lives justification for their demands? Is destroying country’s infrastructure helped any Nepalese? Is crippling economy helped poor Nepali to come above poverty? Yet, they are self proclaimed freedom fighters working for nepali.And followers of them believe it. That is the ability of terrorist they somehow brainwash people so much they forget moral, rationality and jump in the cause of some selfish people. Spinning your brain: There is difference between freedom fighter and terrorist. Terrorist lose their moral values, ethics and blinded by their cause but freedom fighter are always on the right side, they do the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!
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lootekukur
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Posted on 07-27-06 1:12
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ImU, haha....good points...but you are missing something from the gist :P :P see terrorism does not have to be mass murdering and bombing et. al. if i kidnap you and do nothing but play cards with you and drink corona hehe...but phone your parents/gf whoever and tell them that i have kidnapped your beloved then that's a terrorism albeit for a small sect of the society. bhagat singh, the freedom fighter, stood against the then british government in india and fought against them..he DID kill some of the police officials by himself. now that, even after killing, is a revolution and not terrorism. do you think innocents did not get killed in india's fight for freedom? do you think only culprits were murdered? do you think normal lives did not get jeopardized? Maoists revolutions is a terrorism for most people's dictionary. if they come tomorrow in the governement and do good especially with the social disparity thing, then they may well be heros of the nation. and all maoists who died in the last 10 years will be declared as martyrs and NOT terrorists even after the known fact that they DID kill innocents. ditto for Osama and Bush.... Loote
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Posted on 07-27-06 1:25
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If the method was sole intimidation India wouldn't have got independence so quickly.It was the strength of the masses which brought change.Had maoist been able to at least show that much support in KTM as in jandalon II , the maoist wouldn't be considered terrorist would they????? Again i am saying forget who says what to whom.what matters is what you think?The police killed and some incidents are your trying to justify the cause.Well u may be i never said you can't but i am just talking about the method!!! when you travelling to go to work in the morning and some body bombs the trains!!! you justifying that as greater good!!!!!! well dude i just want to understand this there is difference and there will always be difference between freedom fighters and terrorist!!! even if maoist comes to power , do you think i will call them freedom fighters.NO never!!! It is what i believe.But remember Even british considers Indian freedom fighters as freedom fighters..see the difference!! again , it doesn't matter who says what !!it matters what you think!!!!i have given several example .why ones freedom fighter can be one terrorist not denying!!for the freedom fight killing 5000 lives in US 911 was nothing ,i assume u believe in that. I also assume that you do not believe that bombing of train in bombay, bombing of bus in nepal, plain hitting twin towers is not terrorism in your dictionary.It is freedom fight!!! Good luck !!!
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ImI
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Posted on 07-27-06 1:31
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hey sorry, if i was kind of rude!!!just got little senti kya:) still has too much to do..take care bro..i have nothing against your beliefs!
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Posted on 07-27-06 1:36
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Osama's way to seek freedom could be different than my way of seeking freedom but he is as much of a freedom fighter to Muslims as Che Guevera was to South Americans.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-27-06 2:28
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Sidster, foget what the muslim think!! They think that Israel should be wipped out!! so lets just forget what they think!! what matters is what do you think? Why are you vitimized??you are taking a subway in NYC ,any second there can be bomb blast!!!did that make your life heaven or hell. If only violence could be solution for everything by now Isreal should have given up!Srilanka should have given up!India should have given up!! You know what i believe ..China will give up Tibet ,sooner or later!!!Dalai lama didn't needed terrorism to get support from around the world.Wouldn't he ,can't he opt for easily way violence?????
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lootekukur
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Posted on 07-27-06 2:30
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Imu, no you are fine. timi rude bha chhainau! trust me...hehe...you are a nice chap and i believe in more than you yourself hehe :P you wrote: again , it doesn't matter who says what !!it matters what you think!!!!i have given several example .why ones freedom fighter can be one terrorist not denying!!for the freedom fight killing 5000 lives in US 911 was nothing ,i assume u believe in that. ======================= well, i am not denying it. and trust me what i said is WHAT I BELIEVE IN. you are pinpointing 911 attack yet again. what about US attack on afghanistan thereafter. do you know how may innocent people died in it? what would you call it? a revolution? again you are not seeing things on their entirety ImU. and that is the sad part of it. I am not for anyone but i believe in seeing things from all perspectives. you have a good day at work! Loote
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ImI
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Posted on 07-27-06 3:45
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Thanks loote for you nice words:) I am seeing from there point of view too.As much as you might like to think i am conservative and too the right.I am liberal democrat.I do not agree bombing Iraq is the solution but you need to see this:HATE ONLY GENERATES HATE!!VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION!!OTHERS WILL TREAT YOU IN THE SAME WAY YOU TREAT THEM!!! i already said what was the strength of people in jandalon II .Was it maoist or people for democracy that toppled the govt!!! Do you know maoist should kiss king G feet as his idiotic action brought maoist into this position. LTTE is freedom fighters who wants to break the country? Al Quieda is freedom fighters who wants to wipe out all infidels???? for such logic , i have no words to describe.. Just remember ,for every action there is always equal and opposite reaction!
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Posted on 07-27-06 3:58
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sajha should provide us wages!!!
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Posted on 07-27-06 4:48
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IMI, I totally agree with you on you point of views about Maoist, LTT(Tamil Tigers), Lashkare-e-Taiba, Osama and Al-Qaeda. But I don’t understand why you left out US or Israel, for that matter, for their good deeds in Iraq and Bruit (Lebanon). Do you consider them any different? If crashing a plane and killing 3000 civilians is an act of terror, what is killing tens of thousands without any cause. You might want to give proper examples when you write another “article,” unless it’s intended for you mom or gf.
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ImI
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Posted on 07-27-06 4:56
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Did i ever say, i love violence and agree with US foreign policies??????you read the article but you forgot to read the other posts!!! The article is intended for who ever wants to read .I gave my opinion ,i gave my examples .you have full rights to put you opinion.I am not wining award or presenting paper to english teacher with this article before briinging my sis and mother into this you need to think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you think US and Israel is terrorist say why you think Isreal is terrorist .Am i stopping you?????? Like i said before:HATE ONLY GENERATES HATE!!VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION!!OTHERS WILL TREAT YOU IN THE SAME WAY YOU TREAT THEM!!!
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:02
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Imu, i have nothing against your way of viewing things. but you are very adamant on your stance, which is as much good as worse it is sometimes coz that drives you towards failure by not understading things from other angles/perspectives. Some view 911 as an incident,--attack of course. some view it as an AFTERMATH--result of US's policies full of hypocricism. You are missing on hearing those people who belong to the second category. had US not been oversmart and nosy with middle easts and muslim leagues, may be there would not have been 9/11. US wants to rule in the middle east and at the same time they feign as if they are for human rights, soverignty and other crap stuffs. Attack on Afghanistan was uncalled for. they just took them as a scapegoat saying that they wanted to seize weapons of mass destruction and wanted a revenge from 9/11 attack. as a matter of fact they had no idea about that but they just wanted to vent their anger over muslims and sadam hussain. they did not even know where Osama was, still don't. All i am saying is, attack on Afghanistan and Iraq were inevitable and US would love to do it even without 9/11 reasons. As for maoists in Nepal, i don't want to talk too much on this. coz they are yet to be tested. i am postive and believe in that they will come tomorrow and will try to do something good while you willl still be sulking and whining over them saying that "we have a terrorists goverment" ...does not make a rat ass difference. hehe Loote
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:08
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hahahaha... ok loote whatever makes you happy!!! you didn't read what i wrote on the post clearly:).read it .you will find what i believe in .your answers are already there. ok if you didn't understand i will repeat what i wrote just ask.:D anything for you my fren:)
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:20
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ImU, I read it all, trust me... "there is a thin line between terrorism and revolution". this is all i wanted to say. only time will tell what happened for good and what for bad....seems like you still did not get me...hehe thikai chha chhoddeu yo kura!! i am kinda feeling nostalgic again.... Loote
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:30
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Of course man , time will tell..time has been telling us ..time already told us. reminds me of that mahabharat dialogue"mein samay hu" hhahaahah maoist are tasted.. people say they are bitter..hehehe what are u nostalgic about??pheri school ko gf ko yaad hahahahah
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:34
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its ridiculous to compare maoist with hamas or hazbollha or al queada. Even though they all are terroist there is a difference. Maoist is a fraction, its a group , where as hamas, hazbollha, alqueda, has already transformed them into an Ideology in middle east. its much easier to fight and finish a group than it is to crush an ideology, its a feeling, it runs in their viens, their sentiment, their emotions, their mentality.
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Posted on 07-27-06 5:45
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Loote, aren't you tiered of explaining stuff to ImI :D...I already said he's a mental case...hehehee
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Posted on 07-27-06 6:15
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To my lovely 5 year old sajahuser, Do u know my 4 year old nephew is smarter than you?heheheh this is how u write u comment: u see my name,u see the topic and your reply is ready!!! When will you learn to read???????????????? good news for you: Admission open in LKG in mahan Prachanda kintergarden. free milk and haluwa:) LEARN TO READ FIRST BEFORE COMING HERE AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN ME!!!!!!!
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Posted on 07-27-06 6:46
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:D...I wish I was ignorant...maybe I'd be happier...
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ImI
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Posted on 07-27-06 6:51
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DOn't worry .. we know you are dumb and ignorant!:P u happy or not .happiness is relative ..what scale do u measure??i think u are happy as u are.u don't need to be more happy.:D
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Posted on 07-27-06 6:53
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Loote, aren't you tiered of explaining stuff to ImI :D...I already said he's a mental case...hehehee ================= hahaha...i did not know that...ImU is a GONE case bhanera hahahaha..Spin zone ko suruwaat tespachhi bha ho ko kya ho? hahahahahaha hari-om Loote
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