For last couple of days,Sajha is filled with comments of Sajha Royalist.I was expecting to read some strong arguments and facts from the past(particularly from those period when the country was ruled by seven parties) and inviting heated debate from other sides.But more of the posts seem to be funny,no strong logic to defend why Monarchy should exist in Nepal.
One user IMI is trying to bring some logic but more of the Royalists want to have Monarchy coz they believe so(They do not have valid reasons to justify).It is just like anti Royalist wants demolition of Monarchy coz they believe so(No strong logic).

"Royalist and Ani Royalist,please produces your statement with strong logic behind it"

Why should we demolish Monarchy?(The logic needs to be related with peace and development of Nepal)
Why shoould we keep Monarchy?(The logic needs to be related with peace and development of Nepal)
Analyse King's speech and predict what happens next?

Be logical folks.

Jai_Nepal ,And how about others Royalist who are responsible for corruption and killing?What would you recoomend for Kamal MUSA and other royalist who spent lots of unaudited money during king's rule?

GYANE HARU KO SAASAN LE KI DIYO NEPALI LAI....
CHAMCHAGIRI GARNA SIKAYO TULASI GIRI JHAI ...
AAJHAI PANI SAJHA KAI BLOGMA DEKHNA SAKNUHUNCHHA TAPAI
MALIK GYNE KO 'NUN KO SOJHO GARDAI CHAN ' RAJABADIHARU
jaye nepal,chor ko naam ma ...
bichara haru US ma chamchagiri nagari kasari base holan..
dukhalagchha ..bicharaharu SAJHA KO blog ma aafno aafno malik Gyane ko chamcha giri garera chitta bujhaudai chan.....
i dont only critisize i also have solution u want see go on my reply to
GYANE CHOR DES CHOD..

Do have any data how Girija & Ser bhadur had expensed gov . in the name of maobadi in this 15 yers . I am not supporting absolute monarchy but cceremonial monarchy is essentuial for the country , that is best safelanding every body other wise can u give any garrenty for peace after the demollition of the king .Lets discuss about

1. Prachand kills 15000.00 People
2. Girija More then 6000.00
3 Ser bahadur 5000.00
4. Madhav k. nepal ( Equally participate in those killing)
5 . King 29
this data proved who is to punished

1. Prachand kills 15000.00 People
2. Girija More then 6000.00
3 Ser bahadur 5000.00
4. Madhav k. nepal ( Equally participate in those killing)
5 . King 29
king 29
WTF!

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gure,since,they all are responsible for killing of innocent people,Shouldn't all they be punsihed including King?Can we just ignore a king for his deeds stating that he is responsible for less number of killing?
Don't get biased,You should have said that all should get punished not only King.Why should Nepali people spare anybody?Why shouldn't they punish all?

Saathi gyne ko vada ko SAHI sena le mareko chai naam nai chaina ...
ki tyo sena le mareko Gyane le hoina..? it's doesnot interpreted as
i am encourising killing ....but
u forget the poem by ..Bhupi serchan...

bandaina muluk 2..4...saput marera nagaye.....

Hey h1b, you're the exact type of nepali i am really worried of.

you said: "By Suspending Monarchy,if country gets peace,where is the problem?don't you guys want peace in Nepal?"

i mean are you for real? yesterday maoists carried guns, tomorrow someone else will (JTMM is already doing the same). since the seed of gun politics has already been planted, up to what price are we willing to pay for peace? sure we are all peace loving people and take pride in buddha's preaching and his birth place. but what kind of example are we setting by giving in to every demand raised with gun power?

and please don't give me example of past armed revolutions. times have changed so what happened in the history do not work anymore. not in this day and age. back in the days, men used to wrestle till death to get a woman...is that were we headed?

hukka_nepali ,please don't get worried on my type,Stay focussed on your investment dollar.

I am not favouring any kind of killings and suppression.And if you read my posting carefully,you would know that I am neither supporter of Monarchy nor a Terrorist(Maoist),I believe in democracy and in democratic system nobody is beyond the law.King's wrong doing can not be justified pointing others mistakes.Every Nepalese know and aware of what kinds of leader they have(I already stated that in different threads).My only question to royalist is: Justify why would you want existance of Monarchy? Since,Nepalese people want peace and development,tell us how would we achieve peace and democracy by keeping Monarchy? And I have asked same question for Anti Royalist:
Why do you want to demolish Monarchy?What happens next ?
Who will lead Nepal?
Hukka Ji,Produce logic just do not come with conclusion.
And I understand your anger since the country is not being ruled by law,it has been just lawless and we all are worried for it..but still it can not be justification for keeping King. Come with some strong reason why should we keep King?

Agree with Hukka!
Fu(k Terrorits!

Hello h1b jee, glad you make note of my investment dollars but sadly enough the US stock market is closed today. so im able to chime in my our political issue, if i may...

i appreicate your need for logic but as someone already stated above, nepal currently does not function by any logic but rather its a monkey business going on over there.

don't mean to pick on you but there isn't much logic in your question itself. and that is why i said i worried about nepali people like you, who are simple living folks just want to go about their business and therefore just want to see peace prevail (regardless of the price that is being paid or the compromises being made about future without their immediate far sided knowledge, obviously not their fault either).

it is not the matter of keeping king but it is about keeping the institution of monarchy to play an integral part of balanced power in an ethnically and geographhically diverse nation like ours. i beleive this is somewhere along the line of thought process behind B.P. Koirala's (one of very few visionary leader) 2007 B.S. "Rastriya Mel Milap Niti (??something like that)".

it is my opinion that if we get rid of the institution of monarchy, it will pave the way for military rule or some sort of dictator ruling in an unstable political environment for a long time. fine examples of these can be found in russia, iran, and many other african nations. also, you can find similar examples in nations like pakistan and bangladesh where due to lack of balance in power and weakness in political parties, it oftens paves the way for military intervention.

oh yes:

P.S. military intervention might not be as bad compare to what happened to sikkim. considering our open border, unrest situation in nepal will have direct effect to indian interest, thus paving the way for their direct intervention. that will be the most unfortunate outcome of all...but often during monekey business, as easily seen at pashupatinath, while the monkey are busy fighting with each other over food, dogs or birds often sneak in to take advantage. so it is not just india but a very NATURAL phenomenon

it is not the matter of keeping king but it is about keeping the institution of monarchy to play an integral part of balanced power in an ethnically and geographhically diverse nation like ours. i beleive this is somewhere along the line of thought process behind B.P. Koirala's (one of very few visionary leader) 2007 B.S. "Rastriya Mel Milap Niti (??something like that)".

Hukka,You made valid point here.That's the logic I was anticipating from Sajha Royalist.Any way,I got it from democrats.
I started this thread to invite logical discussion rather than Royalist saying we want Monarchy coz we believe this and coming with data of killing by other sides and Anti Royalist comes and give a tag of MANDALE whoever thinks the need of Monarchy and argue as if there were Ram Rajya while Seven Party were ruling.

Each of us need to be realistic.And commoc consensus is we want peace and development.

Thanks Hukka for your second attempt with some sorts of logic.

7 Party government kill 30 people

I agree with lot of you guys and even those who are against the monarchy, and have doubt on their head about Monarchy.

But let me clarify to you this that Monarchy of Nepal does not only mean Gyanadra, it means our great king Prithvinarayan shah, (The main reason that we can call our self Nepali, even after my race and my best friends race is different), Tribhuvan who first introduced democracy in Nepal. Mahendra who is the reason behind that we all speak the same language, Birendra who restored democracy in again and was loved by the people. They are all our kings who has changed our country in many ways.
Yes Gynendra is selfish, and thought that he could still have direct rule over Nepal, and wanted to create his own image in history, but the luck was not with him, and the days of kings had ended. That Birendra had understood and was ready to talk to Maoist, but Gynendra was stupid enough to kill his brother and wanted to apply the marshal law that the palace was able to use according to the old constitution, and now he is paying the price.

But why punish what our other kings had build up for good. I learned in school back in Nepal that if there is a rotten apple in a pile, then you don’t throw the pile away, you throw the rotten apple away. This exactly what people of Nepal are doing, they are trying to throw the whole pile away. Now that people has the power sort out the rotten apples from the palace and bring them to justice, and Crown the little girl (Sruti’s daughter)

Our parents created us, and now after you have grown up and can stand on your own two legs does not mean that you through your parents out, you respect them. You may not listin to them any more, or perhaps obey them either. BUT YOU RESPECT THEM.

Gynendra and his descendent are unpopular, and Maosist are using that to get rid of the Royal palace, as they did form the begning. And Now is the biggest chance for them, and Prachandas dream on becoming head of the state (NEW KING OF NEPAL IN HIS OWN WAY) is coming to reality, so he is using these illiterate, and ignorant youth of Nepal as oil in the fire.

If that innocent little child of 5 years is crowned and Gynendra is dismissed from the thrown, No Nepali will point their finger towards the Thrown of Nepal. And for what reason any way, why blame a little kid who has lost every thing because of her uncle.

Bringing the justice and the guilty party in front of the court will shut people’s mouth up and if prachanda protests, then people will have doubt on his character, on why is he fighting with a 5 year old girl, who has lost every thing.

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No problem at all h1b. we can lable each other by different names or categorize ourselves with in any particular school of thoughts, but can't forget the fact that we all want the best of our motherland at the end of the day. that is why i have come to peace of mind even if my ideas or my thought process isn't materialized. infact, i look at is like if your plans go forward and mine didn't, i consider yours was better to being with so if anything you will only recieve my support in our nation building process.

but the paapi maan deep down inside me just hopes and ohhhh prays so much that, those which such great ideas and visions (greater than the ones i had anyways) are truly dedicated to our motherland and aren't compromised in any way shape or form....but i guess it's only human for me to have this doubt, hoina ta.

anyways...oh yeah last but not the least it was KnightCrawler to bring mokey business in paly...funny choice of words but couldn't have described it more precisely myself...so props to you bro! LOL

Here comes my logics for not supporting monarchy:

http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=42023

Well there are 10000reason for ousting maoist as well for all the lives they have taken. They are the one to be ousted first.

ll i am trying to say is instead of revenge game ...be productive and think for nation ..why we need more blood.In process of kicking king out many people will die for nothing.Just to replace with another dictator name:Prachanda.

King won't go so easily ,If the king goes there will be more blood shed and ultimately it will be Maoist.That for sure!!!If you are neutral person .Then forgive and forget and move on ..Make new nepal ..once again the responsibility has come to political parties ..prove to nepal that They are capable ..otherwise they do not diserve to rule Nepal...Let the king be ceremonial , pay tax, nationalize the property and make him figure head.Why so excited bringing communist in Nepal???

An example of how statistics can be made to tell lies.
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1. Prachand kills 15000.00 People
2. Girija More then 6000.00
3 Ser bahadur 5000.00
4. Madhav k. nepal ( Equally participate in those killing)
5 . King 29
king 29
WTF!

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Well they say about 15,000 thousand people were killed during the decade long Maoist insurgency. The figure 15,000 include casualties (deaths) from both the army (who was under the direct control of the monarch even after the 1990 democracy) and the Maoist personnel. Well if you want to be petty, then then Army killed more people (Maoists as well as innocents) than the Maoists (Army personnel as well as innocents).

So the figure that the king killed becomes actually more than that of the Maoists. Not counting the people killed by Paras or the past kings, of course! :-)

So let us not be petty ... and distort the facts. And if we cannot state the facts, let us admit that fact and interpret the figures accordingly.


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One question always comes in my mind is:
Paras is probabaly as old as I am. He has done nothing for the country. I have served for the country . How he gets a chace to be the King but me? Its just a blood or what?
Is it fair? Is it natural?