Why are ex-kings of Nepal innocent for the sorry state of the country today? These idiots were in power for 200+ years before the democracy. I don't see a single king who truly ruled for the citizens of the country. 

Let democracy rule for 200+ years and if it does not get any better, then we will be all ears to the monarchists on what they would like to do next. We believe in equal opportunity ruling in Nepal.

20 yrs of down hill, death and destruction of Nepal in the name of democracy and you want 200 more years? Lawlessness  and do whatever you want to do and no consequences is not Democracy my friend. Equal opportunity is a real good thing bro and would make Nepal a great place to live in, tara yo taal le equal opportunity kahile aauchha ta? democracy has gone very bad in Nepal and you want to continue the same path ?.....  YoTaBhayanaNiSom

BaajeBro: Just because democracy is not working out, we cannot go back to the system that has proven to be pretty fked up as well... We need to think this through and not jump into the conclusion that Gyane, Parase and their gang of killers and rapists will rescue us from the situation.

how are you even comparing past Nepal as fked up as now? if you dont mind bro how old are you? Im 30+ yrs old and grew up in Nepal when it was peaceful, krishi pradhan desh, shanti chhettra Nepal, ranked as a developing asian country, same rank as singapore, malaysia, no loadshedding, no bandhas, chakka jams, if one nepali died untimely it would make the headlines. Untill these netas came to Nepal and after the Andholan King Birendra gave them the power and it went down hill. Present Nepal is fkedup bro, past Nepal was going somewhere although it wasnt perfect.  AND in the past 15 yrs  20K more lives lost in the Name of MAOIST led revolution isnt anything? these people were victims of Terrorists, government alike, raped murdered brutalized. You call this democracy, may be its democracy to kill but its sure product of democracy gone bad in Nepal. You call Kings murderers and rapists yet you dont mention Maoists and netas crime against Nepali lives......why bro.?YoTaBhayanaNiSom

Tero Baje as I mentioned NO FREE RIDE TO NOBODY.  I am no fan of Gyaney to tell you the truth.  He had the oppertunity to prove himself and proved he was gutless.  If he is to come back I would like to post bench marks to prove his worth.  Again NO RETURN TO MONARCHY, he can run the country but WE ARE NOT GOING BACK.  Too many people have lost their lives to bring to where we are today, it will not be fair to those people who gave up their lives for this cause.  No free ticket to continue his lineage.  If Gyaney wants to redeem himself he can run for office just like anyone else.

Yotabhayenanisom,

I am not a big fan of Gyaney but after 20yrs of Demoquashi but these politicians are no better than Monarchy.  Before it was the King and his chamchas who were greasing their palms. Now its the politicians and political netas greasing their palms.  There is no law and order, people live in constant fear, kidnapping and raping is rampant. And you think this is better ?  We just got rid of one Dicktator to be replace by another.  So to me they are all the fugging same. I see no difference.  Pahila Raja ko palliii abaaa ayoo Maoist, Congressi, Aamaley etc etc Maar khaney Gareeb janata.  If we let this go on ... he he One day Nepal as a country will cease to exist.

Gyane is not what we Nepalese people want but it is becoming a need today, it's becoming like something is better than nothing, these mother fkr politicians are ruining the country, if they keep on running like this Nepal will be the worlds poorest and random place, so even if we dun want him, he is becoming our need, Easier said than done and I can guarantee that Maoist as well as all these politicians can never ever make our country 

Nicely said sanjam

isn't it true terobaje brow, me feels like dis seeing present situation of our country, we need democracy as well as have to be liberal but democracy and liberality are becoming enemy of peace and development these days, IDK whether it is due to time or whatsoever

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In my opinion, going back to monarchy won't do anything, but a chance of having even a greater and deeper civil war within the country, a country that has already faced a decade of war, and is in the transition of peace is still quite vulnerable to go back to a state of war. The panchayat era is the time when the people haven't had easy access to arms and ammunitions, the situation is completely different now. So I think u can't compare with the political situation now and then. My generalization of this situation is democracy is the power to the people but really have the people of Nepal had the power. First of all did the people of Nepal really know what their political power are? Nepalese should know who to be their representatives, and examine their representative's social and political credentials before they sent them to the house, but that process has never been applied. Nepalese people are more into the fake ideologies of the political parties, so they sent those people into the house which resemble their ideology not the person's social and political credentials. My statement is sent the right person to the house, then democracy would be fruitful.

OK. Let me give you guys another perspective.

I agree Panchayat era had much better security situation in Nepal than what we got today. I also know that it was a better system for rulers than the general population. I hear from my dad and other elders all the time, Rana regime was much better than Panchayat. Back then, justice prevailed and every harke and birke could not use "source-force" like Panchayat era. Then, I am sure Malla Kal was probably much better than after invasion by Prithvi, the great. I say this by observing the relative progress - both culural and economic made during the golden period of Nepali history. It may have been even better during Lichabi. Rember those great Kings Mandev and Anshubarma's great deeds from grade school history. And then comes Gopal Banshi. Imagine a country with no violence - that's what I would expect in the kingdom of cattle farmers. Then comes Manjushri who chopped off some hilltop to drain the great lake Kathmandu used to be. Before that it was a beautiful lake. The most peaceful ever. Wow... maybe we should go back to that. Would be great for fishing I tell you all...

The point I am trying to make is... Let's look forward and bring in fresh ideas... Let's not drive only using your side mirrors... Please say now to Shree 5 Thugs in 21st century...

good luck with your new forward  idea, vision whatever. Im not here to convince you or anyone. I write here as I see felt and experienced not speculate on an idea of the future that has failed miserably and created more deaths and terror in Nepal than any Nepalese era ever, comparing is human nature, everyone does it otherwise you wouldnt judge Nepal when it was in then peaceful era, you make fun of our memories of old peaceful times and ridicule us for complaining of the current death and destruction of Nepal? Show me one JUST ONE GOOD THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN NEPAL SO FAR?
YA NONE. every thing in Nepal was built in the King era, everything destroyed in your lovely new wave of ideas. IDEAS dont feed the hungry. Anyways. Imdone talking to your Maoist or Neta relative ass living in luxury....YotabhayenaniSOM.

"If democracy is defined the way Nepali politicians have
defined it according to their needs, Nepal has set up a wrong precedent and
endangered the whole democratic system."

This is how you are practicing democracy. Someone above wants to think about future only..good good.. this is how your future gonna be!

God bless Nepal! this is how you are practicing democracy at the behest of your god father!shame on you leaders and their followers!

http://www.ekantipur.com/np/2067/7/25/full-news/320312/







नेपालको वर्तमान अवस्थामा नागरिकता एउटा महत्त्वपूर्ण विषय रहेको छ ।
नेपालको अस्तित्व र सार्वभौमिकतासित प्रत्यक्ष रूपमा सरोकार रहेको यो विषय
जति संवेदनशील र हामी सबै नेपालीको पहिचानसित गाँसिएको छ, त्यति अरू कुनै
विषय छैन । यसो हुनुको प्रमुख कारण यसको भौगोलिक अवस्था, खुला सिमाना अनि
राज्यको रूपमा अस्तित्व जोगाउनका लागि गर्नुपरेको संघर्षको कारणले हो ।
विसं २०४७ सालको संविधानको निर्माणको सँगसँगै यो विषयमा लगातार कुनै न कुनै
रूपमा प्रभाव पार्ने काम भइरहेको छ र जसरी हुन्छ नागरिकताको विषय सकेसम्म
खुकुलो जसका लागि पनि उपलब्ध र सन्दर्भहीन विषयवस्तु बनाउने प्रयास रणनीतिक
रूपले नै गरिरहिएको कुरा यस विषयमा चाख राख्ने सबैले देखीबुझीरहिएको नै हो
। यसै सिलसिलामा अहिले आएर निर्वाचन आयोगले आफ्नो पूर्व अडानलाई फेर्दै
नेपाली नागरिकताको प्रमाणपत्र बेगर नै कुनै पनि व्यक्तिको नाम मतदाता
नामावलीमा समावेश गर्न सकिने र त्यस्तो व्यक्तिले नेपालको भविष्य निर्धारण
गर्ने गरी मतदानमा भाग लिन सक्ने व्यवस्था गर्न लागेको देख्दा अब नेपालको
नागरिकताको कुनै प्रयोजन र सन्दर्भ नरहने देखिएको छ । यो आत्मघाती,
गैरसंवैधानिक र गम्भीर रूपले नेपालको अस्तित्वमनै असर पर्न सक्ने काम हो ।
यसप्रति प्रत्येक नेपालीले सजग भएर विरोध गर्नु आवश्यक छ ।

दोस्रो जनआन्दोलन हुनेबित्तिकै नागरिकता ऐनमा संशोधन, नागरिकता वितरण र
अहिले आएर मतदाता नामावलीमा संकलन यी सबैलाई छुट्याएर हेर्न मिल्दैन । यी
क्रियाकलापको एउटा सशक्त शृंखला धेरै पहिलेदेखि सक्रिय रूपले सञ्चालित
रहेको कुरा यस विषयको इतिहास हेर्दा सजिलै जानकारी हुन सक्छ । त्यतातिर नगई
अहिले भइरहेको संविधान र ऐनको सन्दर्भमा केलाउँदा पनि यसको दूषित उद्देश्य
स्पष्ट हुन्छ । २०६३ सालको संविधानले नेपाली नागरिकलाई आमनिर्वाचनमा
उम्मेदवारका रूपमा भाग लिन र मतदान गर्न पाउने अधिकार दिएको छ । कुनै पनि
व्यक्ति नेपालको नागरिक हो होइन भनी छुट्याउने एउटा मात्र मान्य आधार
नेपालको नागरिकता हो । नागरिकता नभएको व्यक्ति नेपालको नागरिक हो होइन भनी
छुट्याउन  सकिँदैन । यस देशको खुला सिमानाको सन्दर्भमा त झन् यो अति
आधारभूत विषय हो । कुनै व्यक्ति नेपालको नागरिकता पाउन सक्ने अवस्थाको भए
पनि उसले जबसम्म नागरिकता पाउँदैन, ऊ नेपालको नागरिक ठहर्दैन । जसले पायो
त्यसले, जसलाई पायो उसलाई नेपालको नागरिक हो होइन भनी ठहर्‍याउन पनि
पाउँदैन । निर्वाचन आयोगलाई त्यस्तो अधिकार छैन । नेपालको नागरिकता कस्तो
अवस्थामा, के कस्तो आधारमा, के कसरी अनुसन्धान गरेर के कुराको प्रमाण
केलाएर कसले जारी गर्छ र कसले पाउँछ भन्ने कुरा नेपालको संविधान र नागरिकता
ऐन, २०६३ ले व्यवस्था गरेको छ । मतदाता नामावलीसम्बन्धी ऐन, २०६३ को दफा
११ को प्रतिबन्धात्मक वाक्यांशमा नेपाली नागरिकलाई नेपाली नागरिकताको
प्रमाणपत्र पेश गर्न नसकेको करणले मात्र मतदाता नामावलीमा नामदर्ता गर्न
बाधा पुर्‍याएको मानिनेछैन भनी गरिएको व्यवस्था र त्यसैगरी सोही ऐनको दफा
३७ मा कुनै व्यक्तिको नाम अस्थायी मतदाता नामावलीमा समावेश भएको वा नभएको
कारणले नागरिकताको विषयमा असर नपर्ने भन्ने व्यवस्था गरेर तथा मतदाता
नामावली मतदानको प्रयोजनका लागि मात्र प्रमाण लाग्छ अरू कुरामा प्रमाण
लाग्दैन भनेर उल्लेख गरेर मतदाता नामावलीमा नागरिकता नभएको व्यक्ति पनि
समावेश हुन सक्ने गरी गरिएको परिकल्पना संविधानको आधारभूत व्यवस्थासित
मिल्दैन । त्यसले परिकल्पना मूल रूपमै गैरकानुनी, आत्मघाती र कुत्सित छ,
संविधानको भावना र प्रस्ट प्रावधानसित मेल खाँदैन । नेपालको संविधानले
नेपालको नागरिक नभएको वा गैरनेपाली नागरिकले मतदाता नामावलीमा समावेश हुन
पाउने कुनै हक राख्दैन । त्यसकारणले मतदाता नामावलीसम्बन्धी ऐन, २०६३ को
दफा ११ को उक्त प्रतिबन्धात्मक वाक्यांश र मतदाता नामावलीसम्बन्धी ऐन २०६३
का ती व्यवस्था संविधानसित बाझिने भएकाले पनि स्वतः बदर भागी छन् ।

सबैले बुझेको कुरा हो, नेपालको अस्तित्वमा सदैव एउटा चुनौती खुला सीमा,
अनियन्त्रित र चौतर्फी रूपले परिरहेको दबाब हो । यो अवस्थामा यसप्रति
संवेदनशील नभएर खुला रूपमा ठाडै संविधानको अक्षर र भावनाविपरीतका यी काम यस
देशमा भइरहेका छन् । नागरिकताको विषयमा अहिले पनि विभिन्न जिल्लामा
हजारौंको संख्यामा गैरनेपालीले नागरिकता लिए भनेर उजुरी परिरहेका छन् । ती
प्रत्येक उजुरीको फाइल केलाउने हो भने झूटा, नक्कली कागजात र विवरणलाई आधार
बनाइएको कुरा देख्न सकिन्छ । त्यस विषयको अध्ययन अनुसन्धान गृहमन्त्रालय र
त्यसअन्तर्गतका निकायले गर्न सक्छन् र तिनै त्यसका आधिकारिक निकाय हुन् ।
निर्वाचन आयोगसित न त्यसको अनुभव छ न त्यो आधिकारिक निकाय नै हो । यस्तो
अवस्थामा नागरिकताको आधारका रूपमा प्रस्तुत हुनेखालका कागजात पेश गर्ने र
त्यसैको आधारमा मतदाता नामावलीमा नाम समावेश गर्न सकिने भनेर नागरिकताको
प्रमाणपत्रलाई सन्दर्भहीन र अप्रभावी बनाउन खोज्नु निर्वाचन आयोगले आफ्नो
अधिकार क्षेत्रको उल्लंघन गर्नु हो । यस्तो अधिकार त्यस आयोगलाई संविधानले
प्रदान गरेको छैन ।

मतदाता नामावली र नागरिकताको प्रमाणपत्रको गम्भीर र प्रत्यक्ष सम्बन्ध छ ।
मतदाता नामावलीमा नाम समावेश हुने र गर्ने काम भएपछि कुनै व्यक्तिलाई पछि
नागरिकताको प्रमाणपत्र दिनेछैन भनी भन्न सक्ने नैतिक र कानुनी अधिकार
सरकारसित रहँदैन । मतदाता नामावली सम्बन्धी ऐन, २०६३ मा जेसुकै लेखे पनि
त्यो व्यावहारिक हुन सक्दैन । मतदाता नामावलीमा नाम समावेश गर्नु र
नागरिकताको प्रमाणपत्र हुनु करिबकरिब उस्तै कुरा हुन् । अब प्रश्न रह्यो
कुन पहिले गर्ने ? यदि मतदाता नामावलीमा नाम समावेश गर्दा नागरिकतालाई आधार
नबनाउने हो भने व्यवहारमा निर्वाचन आयोगले नै नागरिकता वितरण गरिरहेको
हुन्छ । के हामीले त्यस्तै व्यवस्था चाहेको हो ? अब व्यवहारमा के हुने भयो
भने निर्वाचन आयोगले नै नागरिकताको गतिलो र अकाट्य जस्तो आधार तयार
पारिदिन्छ र पछि त्यही प्रमाण आधारका रूपमा रहन्छ किनकि गैरनेपालीले त
मतदान नै गर्न पाउँदैन । मतदान गरिसकेपछि अन्यथा प्रमाणित नगरुन्जेल
त्यस्तो व्यक्ति नागरिक हुन्छ । व्यक्तिले आफ्नो नागरिकताका प्रमाण
जुटाउनपर्नेमा अब नेपालमा रहेको कुनै व्यक्ति नेपाली नागरिक होइन भनेर
प्रमाण जुटाउन पर्ने काम सरकारको हुने भयो । यो कस्तो विडम्बना हो ? यस्तो
विडम्बना निर्वाचन आयोगले किन गरिरहेको छ ? बुझ्न सकिएको छैन ।

नागरिकता नभएको व्यक्तिलाई मतदाता नामावलीमा समावेश गरेर मतदाता बनाउने हो
भने व्यवहारमा नागरिकता दिने काम हाम्रो देशमा निर्वाचन आयोग र
गृहमन्त्रालय दुईवटा निकायले गर्ने भए । के हामीले चाहेको यस्तै हो ?
निर्वाचन आयोगले राम्रै काम गर्न लागेको भए पनि आफ्नो अडान फेर्नु र अनि
ज्यादै महत्त्वाकांक्षी भएर वास्तविकतालाई नबुझ्नु वा कोरा सिद्धान्तको
मात्र आधार लिएर कस्तो विषय कति हदसम्म चुनौतीपूर्ण र खतराजनक छ भनेर
नबुझ्नु ठूलो दुर्भाग्य हो । वास्तवमा निर्वाचन आयोगले आफ्नो अडान र आधार
फेर्नु नेपाली जनताप्रति ठूलो धोका हुन्छ । निर्वाचन आयोगले आफ्नो अडानमा
दृढ रहेर अधिकारभित्र मात्र सीमित रहनु उसका लागि र नेपालीका लागि
श्रेयस्कर छ । जहाँसम्म सरकार र अन्य दलहरूको कुरा छ यस विषयमा उनीहरूले
अगाडि आएर आफ्ना क्रियाकलापलाई जनताको अस्तित्वका लागि दृढ भएर रक्षा
गर्नतर्फ लगाउनुपर्छ । कसैको रणनीतिक स्वार्थको पूर्तिका लागि आफू निमित्त
पो भइरहेको छ कि ? विचार गर्नुपर्छ । जनताप्रतिको यो धोकाविरुद्ध सबै आम
नागरिक जागरुक भएर लाग्नुको विकल्प छैन ।

यो माला मोह र जनाताको भावना सँग केही सम्बन्ध गासिएको छ कि ? कसैले यो बिषयमा खोज गरेमा डा को उपाधी पाउथे होला ?
कृष्ण प्रशाद भट्टराई को जन्म दिन मा ग्यापन गर्न जादा कृष्ण प्रशादजिको गलामा एउटा वा दुई वटा माला थिए तर ईनले भने चिउडो छुने गरी लगाएका थिए। एउटै लहरमा बस्दा कस्को चाँही जन्म दिवस मनाईेको हो मान्छे लाई बुझ्न गाह्रो भयो।

YCL को स्थापना पनि तेही नागरिक जागरुक बनाउने उद्देस्य भनी युबा संस्था खोलेको भनेको हैन र ?

Calm down folks... Hold your horses...

I am no supporter of Maoist killers nor am I for corrupt and pathetic leaders of our country today. I am but a true believer of democracy and its values. I know for sure most of you hold the same values, maybe except for those who want to be a subject of a King or a cadre of psyco Prachanda's communism. I realize that democracy is failing in our country but we cannot fix it by switching back to a previously tested autocratic rule of wild west type royal family. It needs to be worked on as there is no better alternative to a system. Let me end it with a Lincoln quote:

“As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.”

Yo ta..som..

you must be either ignorant or very naive, you does not seem to have understood the regional/geo-political complexity of our region. One of the poorest and small country, which now have been in under complete hegemony of one of the powerful nation, that too after establishing so called " Loktantra-ganatantra" merely get any chance to practice " democracy"-what you must be day dreaming. Political system should respond the own local political context rather than borrowing other's system-as a one size fit model. I am not here to lecture you however, even to be reasonably optimistic one should see a some sign of optimism -as cliched " child shows a man as morning shows the days"

Moreover, try to understand why it is important to understand your own political context. Hope you have heard of it

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through
our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” —
Isaac Asimov

Some time you need take a step back to move forward, changes are not always progressive. We need to objective in analyzing past/present and future. Btw, if you have chance read the history of Spain.

Well, then, ShantiPriya, what should we do next? Aside from reading history of Spain of course...

Yo ta..som..

you must be either ignorant or very naive, you do not seem to have understood the regional/geo-political complexity of our region. One of the poorest and small country, which now have been in under complete hegemony of one of the powerful nation, that too after establishing so called " Loktantra-ganatantra" merely get any chance to practice " democracy"-what you must be day dreaming. Political system should respond the own local political context rather than borrowing other's system-as a one size fit model. I am not here to lecture you however, even to be reasonably optimistic one should see a some sign of optimism -as cliched " child shows a man as morning shows the days"

Moreover, try to understand why it is important to understand your own political context. Hope you have heard of it

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through
our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” —
Isaac Asimov

Some time you need take a step back to move forward, changes are not always progressive. We need to beobjective in analyzing past/present and future. Btw, if you have chance read the history of Spain.

सच्चा प्रजान्त्रको अनुभुती गर्न पाउने बेला सम्म देश नरकङाल बनाइ सक्ने भए दु:ख त तेस्मा पो छ त !