Dear Pals

1, This is multicultural country and we hardly feel about race

2, Here is minimum Wages is 16 dollors which is 13 USD

3, It is easy to get Permanet Residence in Australia, But takes Ages to to have green cards

4, In Usa U see so many Nepali with DV visa, they have very very poor conditions, but here even students have great life

5, Best things is Australia got lovely weather

and also how come so many nepali ppl in austrilla wanna come to america

I have many close pals in Aussie-land.

Life, in general, seems to be splendid in Australia. Awesome weather, much higher income rate for manual regular labor work, weekends and holidays double pay; legally able to work for 20 hrs for undergrad students and 40 hrs for Masters level students; not to forget population diversity that is increasing like a phenomenon - indeed makes it an attractive proposition.

Also, in US, the most significant hindrance for educated folks seems to be getting that elusive authority to work. In Australia, it is much easier to get a PR while in US the sheer length of time, on top of the extremely obscure process means Australia, in general, takes the odds hands down. Not to mention the fact Australia can stand almost shoulder to shoulder with USA as a developed nation, which essentially implies that you can almost get anything you desire in Aussie-land as well.

However, if one is sedated by the charm of being the most happening nation on the planet, in the sense that, somehow, everything around the world has to do with USA, and if one has a decent job, PR and do not mind the weather much (IMO, bar few states in US, the weather is not as good); I do not see why people would go for Australia over US.

I guess it all depends on personal choice. At times, grass does look greener on the other side. Thus regardless of what anyone says, one has to do thorough investigation and juxtapose what they are to gain and vice-versa -- their needs and their wants -- and then make an informed decision.

Personally, strictly speaking in terms of just living in USA, disregarding their international policies - positive/negative, US is a great nation to live. Sky is the limit firmly applies for this great nation.

Let's face it, Australia might be the next big thing, but US certainlyis the top dog for now.

IndisGuise:)

whatever you guys say, USA is the best coz USA wants to be the best, USA is def. better than Australia in any perspectives but I dont mean it's not good living in Australia.

No worries, Nails, my bad. Maybe they used to allow kids to certain part of the roof of the Opera House back then. It costs around $40 to take the guided tour to the top of the Harbor Bridge. I have not done so myself, but I heard the climb is quite a thrill.

Sayami,

I don't know about Sydney, but there is a chain of Nepali restaurants in Melbourne that serves food so delicious that you will think you have died and gone to heaven. They are called The Gurkhas. Check out their website at

http://www.gurkhas.com.au/restaurants.html.

fosters is an Aussie phenomenon outside Aust...here Vb and Toheys rule!! I personally prefer Carlton Draught.....umm

can you name a place thats devoid of racism? none whatsoever..i m not trying to defend Aust...I m sure its no fun if you are at the receiving end of it..but, personallly, in the US, there is such a thing called politically correctness whereas people here arent so inclined towards it.

the sydney riot may seem like a racial riot but a closer look will reveal a different picture.
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Loserpalooza: Behind Sydney's 'Race' Riots
The violence is the work of the losers in Australia's new economy
BY TOM DUSEVIC
Sunday, Dec. 18, 2005
It's summer in Sydney. That means the tasty aroma of barbeque, teeming beaches, long school vacations and the retail frenzy of Christmas. December lolls into January as people slow down, hang out and chill. This year, however, the sweltering city is on edge, bewildered and a little sad. This year, it's not bushfires threatening the harmony of the city’s 4 million residents, but instead ugly scenes of street violence in what many mistakenly label a contagion of racial hatred.

Rival groups of angry young men are beating their chests and pumping up the volume of hate screech. One mob is mainly white surfer boys, the other tough guys of Lebanese origin. A festival of aggression—glass has been smashed, cars trashed, alcohol spilt and heads bashed—is never a pretty sight. This is a fight to the bottom for males who haven't found their place in the world. Loserpalooza is not the face that upwardly mobile, multicultural Sydney wants to show to the world.

What's been happening these past 10 days is a finale to scores of small incidents that occur in all large cities when aggrieved young men gather at swimming pools and beaches, in car parks, nightclubs and at football games. It's not a clash of religions, civilizations or even ideologies. They may dress or have their hair cut differently, but the combatants are pea brains in a pod: Australian-born, idle and stunted. They're spectators in the new economy, and the rise of the smart worker has left them smelling like losers.

The roots of this rage can be found in place and time. The city's Sutherland Shire, where the troubles first occurred, is a close cousin of the O.C., 4,000 miles across the Pacific. The “shire”, predominantly white, Anglo-Saxon, and insular, is unlike the rest of Sydney, which has for 60 years peacefully absorbed waves of immigrants from Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Each summer, the shire's surf beaches attract hordes of visitors from the immigrant, working-class suburbs of southwestern Sydney. Not all visitors are welcome. Some behave very badly. Policing has been low-key and the rival groups have felt free to make mischief. Defying conventional science, these guys both attract and repel each other.

The men involved in the latest incidents include many who have missed out, for whatever reason, on Australia's 15-year economic resurgence. As working life has been transformed in most developed nations, men who toil with their hands have seen their jobs disappear, or have been replaced in the economy by women with superior social and learning skills. The girls are going to university, the guys are going to the beach or McDonald's. And while they wait for something, anything, to happen to them, why not have some sport? But this time they're playing with fire: committing crimes, fanning racism, wrapping themselves in a flag they are degrading.

So tolerant Sydney watches as loose lips talk nonsense about terrorists and gangs, as the ubiquitous SMS text-messaging mobilizes fresh trouble by cellphone, and as thugs use the opportunity of an escalating feud to get their kicks—and their 5 minutes of media notoriety. Wiser heads will eventually prevail. Political and community leaders will need to be less complacent about what's really going on in the suburbs. And soon the chatter will return to cricket, high temperatures, the flies and, hopefully, how our quiet way of life should never be taken for granted.


From the Dec. 26, 2005 issue of TIME Pacific Magazine
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sayami,
in sydney, there quite a few around.
glebe point road and king street near Sydney Uni has a few. there is another one at randwick near coogee beach. yak and yeti at glebe point road was quite good.

Tyai ta Australia ta gajjab bhai gayo ni. Sydney riots pani tyahin, aboriginals lai thichera rakhya pani tyahin. Every country has its flaws and its goods. We all like the place we live in. The truth is its harder to get into australia as a permanent resident. Life there is awesome I agree but the same is true in Canada, Australia or England or any other place for that matter. How your life is depends on how you take it, where you yourself take it.

CHATMANDUDEE - No worries, Nails, my bad. Maybe they used to allow kids to certain part of the roof of the Opera House back then.


now you're starting to make me mad ke! what do you mean back then! :( :( not the roof ke! uffffff have you even been to the opera house?? omg! does anyone know what i am talking about??? uffffff!!!! you know where you get off the subway and then you walk towards the opera house right and then you have to go certain flight of stairs and stuff and there are doors in which you enter the opera and like on the sides there's like slopes (which is NOT the ROOF of the opera house ke, omg!) and you climb up and down it ni! CHATMANDUDE!!!!!!!!!!aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

America makes you feel like shit if you're a foreigner.. worse if you're a foreign student.... you always feel unwanted and rejected... suspected and the best thing ignored....felt like that since the very first day in the usa till now after 7 years...
no kidding most people are trying to move to canada or aus..wish i had gone to aus instead of coming here... at least they give you PR... they value you.. here they don't want you... i know some immigrants.. they are naturalized but they are curious about Canada... for immigration..

dyamn - i know America sucks ke! I wish i had never left Australia in the first place ni! and even if i do go back now, it just won't be the same as before! :( :(

ok i thot..i say..i think i know wat nails is sayn about the 'slide' in opera house..its at the 'back' of the opera house..facn the botanical gardens..beside the glass doors/windows?its a column i think.some structure they have...why a slope?only the architect knows :oS..asthetic reason?

dyam im not good in describin am i?:oS..anyways just wanted to say..saw kids 'slidin' there hehe the ingenious things kids come out with to pass their time ;oP.....so nails..feel better now?;oP hehe..

and well do wanna type more..but hah!cant really breathe now!!anyone watchn the commonwealth games?im speakn about the triathlon now!!...dyam!!!aussie!!aussie!!oi!oi!oi! hehe

yap kinda cant belive that once i used to just support any team that was playn against australia..but these days :o|..well things happens for a reason i guess :oS..got a weak mind dun i?brainwashed bhoyo!too late!!!:o( ;oP hehe..

ok runn late here...
gday mates!:oD..enjoy wherever u are re kya ;oP hehe

Fella's
Talking abt which one is better for residence, I'll go for Australia. Well though I live in U.S I have faced and have to struggle everyday just to make couple of dollars and the living expenses, you name it. You can't earn money to save unless you got a pretty good engineering or special job. I don't know nothing abt Australia but i know it's pretty easy to get P.R and as a matter of fact, you get paid more, weather is cool, you can save money. What else do you want folks? It doesn't matter whether it is the leader of world like U.S or not. Not only that, nowadays, job offers are decreasing in numbers as China companies have overtaken them. So I'll better leave U.S rightnow if i could get a pretty decent job in Australia which can pay good money sufficient to live.
Anyone can help me out? Just kidding

marshall, which part of US do u live in ? im guessing u are in the New York/ Boston metro.

im in Minnesota and over here u can save money cuz the cost of living is a lower. u can get a 2 bedroom apartment for $500 a month here. unlike NYC where its like $1500 - 3000

I wouldn't necessarily pick one place over the other- it all depends on your circumstance.

By far Oz has more favorable treatment towards intl students as most are allowed to stay after graduation. This isn't true if you are in the US- some students as far back as 9 yrs are still waiting for their residency. So, if you are an intl student perhaps Oz maybe a better option.

If you are US or Oz citizen you can pretty much flip the coin- you'd most probably live and work where not only the pay is high but you'd also consider these factors- working conditions, standard of living, raising a family, nightlife, weather, etc. And both of the places are equally competitive in these respects. Normal work week hour is 40 for US vs 36 for Oz; however, depending on your profession most salaried professionals go over beyond these limits anyway.

Varied experiences within US and Oz:
I kind of despise the south (perhaps b/c of bad experiences when I was growing up- I once wore big belt buckle and cowboy boots when I was 12 and spoke like a honky all the way)- TX, LA, etc. And I feel the same way about Queensland (a state in Oz). If you can find a billy bob in TX then you can find a similar bloke in QD. The whole environment from people to weather in these places- they just aren't for me. In contrast, I admire the Bay Area and the northeast (hate fighting the snow in the morning tho) as I do the southeast in Oz- Melb, Sydney.

Being impartial, I think I wouldn't mind settling in Melb but eventually I may return to the Bay Area...both places have got sky rocketing property prices BTW albeit salaries in my industry ain't bad...

thats right java beans!

well Aust can get as country as you want... m sure it wont fall behind texas! they have all these rodeos and country singing competition! if i see these, i wonder if m in oz or nashville!
standard of living in sydney is comaparable to NYC. but its manageable.

salary in professional fields are upto par with US and UK.

i guess, i would have to experience california before i settle here. but sydney is up on my list!

have a good weekend folks,
off to the opera house!

bullshit... you don't immigrate to a country for beer, horse, cowboys and such crap.. maor thing is you need to be socially secure.. most students in the USA don't know where they are heading to.. the promises a college makes is for us citizens.. they can't get h1 sponsored after graduation unless they lie on thier resume and go through dhoti agencies.. which will also stop soon... don't worry... us is better if you get dv and have education... or if you're married to a us citizen... otherwise... aus or canada.. no matter how different and accent and shit.. you can atleast stay and work and socially be secure.. those gracious people give them PR rather than scaring them for deportation all the time....
only regret in life is why i didn't go to aus.. my friends actually insisted a lot when i was coming here...

i am in usa too, just finished college and its hard to find a H1B visa sponsor.

i was just working a normal IT job.

i heard its easier to get PR in canada and australia if u study in their university.

as for mr Dyamm, u can still goto canada or australia and do your masters. im doing fine in usa so its tough to leave and start a life all over again in a different country. right now im in minnesota, but its hard enough to leave MN and goto california or NYC. moving to canada or australia will be even harder mentally.

but once u move, who knows u might like it, if not go back to usa and find a keti for a green card.

<<4, In Usa U see so many Nepali with DV visa, they have very very poor conditions, but here even students have great life .>>

DV visa doesn't mean that the US government also has to serve you a good job on a tray. I see here the tendency of looking down the DV winners. No matter you guys are in USA or AUS or wherever in the world, you have no respect for job.

A real educated person doesn't down look people on the basis of the job . You guys just earned degree from American or Australian Colleges but didn't earn knowledge. Probably you "dudes' and "mates" earn 50 thou+ in a year but you have no brain worth 50 cents.

Lottery visa winner can be anybody... it is not only for supply of unskilled labor.To say that DV winners are the poorest people in USA, its just your jealousy of having not won the lottery yet.

Thannk u for ur nice comments

Where is the best place to live? Which place is the most essay going and good for family life to live, comprising with in, Canada, Australia, USA, UK, Japan, Germany, Netherlands, India (according to US-CIA: India's economy will beat to Aus and Canada's in 7 yrs, UK's in 10 yrs, USA's in 15 yrs).
Do you think, just a DV winner who has no knowledge about IT, can enjoy in USA? 5% of you guys among the entire Neprican(nepali american) enclave get IT jobs, but we are talking on this thread for whole Nepalese people who live abord, it is absurd that you give your preference (I have an IT job, I don't care others,, the same way others don't care your IT job even your spouse coz of your attitude). So, let's assume and think, in general whole Nepalese beyond H1b or green card from getting through the IT field, can enjoy their sweet of their labor.......... have own house and enjoy the sweet of their families life?
But others and some of those who's IT jobs are shaking in near future, think about........ If so, where is the best place to live,,,,,,,,because of unsecured life and poor living condition, I don't even know when shall I become single guy again and looking a GF to get married, however I married and bought her here with me? I don't wanna lose what I have found, if I couldn't keep her happy by living as usual normal people live, the most number of people survive,,,,,what is the meaning of secure life to me........ in my opinion, environment (it talks everything, such as social, economical and other factors... ) and its influences determined whether it good or not for your family and your future generation.

Let's assume somebody got everything in US that we talked here:
IT job, PR, House, etc etc.

Now think about:
-Safety and almost daily occurance of gun in school
-Job insecurity - it can be outsourced any time
-Retirement - Social security is going away... cannot save enough of yours... what next?
-Skyrocketing health care cost - even after your employer chips in
-Culture that was dependent upon gasoline(petrol) and with gas price going up everyday you never know what happens 10 years from now. Most of the cities do not have dependable public transport system.
-college education is getting expensive year after year. With federal budget shrinking every year on these title, if you don't save enough your kids may not be able to complete college
- with its bad foreign policy you could be an unwanted target -- somewhere, someday, by sombody... who knows?

Can some one shed some lights on health care, social security, public safety and public transportation in Australia.