Not being too busy these days, I was trying to fascinate myself with space science. Scientists are discovering new planets and "solar systems" in different galaxies hundreds of light years away. Let it be the "earth-like" planet or the "gassy-hot" planet, they are trillions of miles away.

I am a bit confused here .... a light year equals a distance that light travels in one earth-year (365 earth days approximately). If those heavenly bodies are hundreds of light years away, then the image scientists are viewing today was formed by light travelling to earth from those masses hundreds of years ago.

Doesn't it mean we are seeing something that was there hundreds of years ago? Isn't it possible that those things may not exist at present time?

And it also sounds interesting that the Sun we see every day .... we see it where it was 8 mins 20 secs before.

More interestingly, if something is living out there and you see an alien moving .... that alien would be dead hundreds of years ago .... but you are still see it .... wow.

What if life is possible on that "earth-like" planet. Who will reach there .... if a couple travel on a space craft flying at speed of light .... only their grand-grand-grand children will reach the planet (given that they give birth to at least two opposite sex childrens and same-family marriage is allowed in outer space :) ).

I don't see any outcome of these studies .... investing trillions of dollars .... research and grants .... papers being published every now and then .......
Let that money go to Africa and Asia to feed the poor.

Ya ya, you may say such studies are necessary ... we should know the mystry of our universe ..... but I am only saying lets limit the study to closer outer-space where you can reach .... in your life time.

hunata maha kabi le bhaneka thiye .... "uddeshya k linu ... udi chchunu chandra eka" .... tara destination teti tada pani nahos ki bichmai jivan samapta hos .......... prithvi mai bhayepo euta le nasake arkole garthyo ....

Ki kaso sathi ho

Maurice,
like reading what yu have to say..keep it up

sorry guys
malai chahi padne phursad bhayena la

A different topic in sajha but a good one. I used to think about creation of universe in my childhood and never found any logical reply within myself. We see the earth, it is beautiful. Lakes, rivers, grass land, mountains....everything lovely. If we look these things from science, there is origin of each thing. For example water from the heart of rock comes out, becomes stream, then river and finally goes to the sea. Heat of the sun produces vapor from the sea and then it becomes cloud and falls down as rain and goes back to the heart of the rock. It is clear from the science, gives a feel of satisfaction how this happened. Now lets go out of the earth. Oh yeah a lot of bodies like earth with various conditions, a lot of dust, no air, rich in some minerals etc etc. Ok . Where these things came from? We can say they formed by some kinds of force which accumulated mineral dust from the space. Ok this gives some answers too. Now where did this space came from? Yea before the birth of space, what was there instead of space? What did space displaced before taking its position? Where did the displaced thing go ? What is its area/volume? ? Is it really boundary less?Is there boundary? Then the number infinite is an integer and real and we can count upto to infinity. What is behind infinity ? Or in another word what exists behind the boundary of the space? I never could got any clue when I was a kid and I stopped thinking about this. Any space geek here who can respond my queries? May sounds absurd but these questions must have answers if we follow science.

How to find north star??
well see flag of alaska.
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solar eclipse
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alaska flag

As everybody has many questions and curiosoty about space, they can unlock their curiosities by reading SHRI SWASTHANI Book.

It clearly says the origin of space, earth and their distruction in the future. Our religion Hindu is very rich in Physics as well in Antronomy.

If you guys dont beleive me, you can google typing Hinduism and Physics and read the articles there about the link between Hinduism and Phyics and Hindus philosophy to try to answer the mystery about space.

At first everybody used to make of Hinduism and its philosophy. Now even scientist from NASA are getting serious about it.....

What Hinduism told about Space, its oringin 5000 years ago....NASA scientist has found it right.

When People use to get killed in Europe while they used to say Earth is Round, Our Hinduism Philosophy has taught us that Earth is round and it revolves around Sun.....and many more..I do not have to time to write everything today..but i want you guys to do reasearch on it..

Tomorrow I will post some article about Hinduism and its reLATION with Space....

Dear Balbahadur,
The reason I am posting this is to somewhat level what seems an impermeable obstruction that exist between people's understanding of what pure science is.

Although I am deeply sympathetic towards your ignorance, I will remind you that you are not even wrong. I cannot even explain how ridiculous your comments sounds. I will not argue that people who were in eastern civilization thought about space and time and had some theory about the universe. That is not at all surprising because if one looks at things historically, it always has been a question that has captivated human imagination.In the ancient western civilization, Dante and Ptolemey had their theory about the universe. Also the egyptian, Babylonian and Persian had their theory of the worlds. All these ideas are wrong when viewed from current knowledge.

Your arguments are flawed for several reason. First of all Shri Swasthani book doesnt have anything remotely useful to say about spacetime or the universe. That to me is an evidence that you dont even know your own religion and you are trying to unify religion with science. Its just a book a fiction as much as "20,000 league under the sea" is(with religious connotation ofcourse). If by ignorance you were referring to Vedic sciences, I admit that people who wrote veda had some imagination but ultimately their theories of the universe is wrong. In order to describe the large scale structure of the universe one needs to study topology, differential geometry, category theory etc, not vedic mathematics.

In fact its not NASA scientists, for the most part, who think about the fundamental question on space and time. That is again a lack of understanding.NASA is mainly concerned with our tiny speck or the neigborhood(called the solar system) that we inhabit in in this vast universe.The research about space time and the universe is isolated from most of people's life as is often described with esoteric equations done by mostly high energy physicist and cosmologist. There is a distincition between cosmology and astronomy and even astrophysics although they are related in some ways.Sure we benefit from the picture from the Hubble deep field or th supernova expansion that NASA provides but their is a difference in scientific inquiry that one needs to understand.
You are right about people being persecuted by Catholic church for having a theory about the universe that conflicted with the then interpreted religious scriptures. On the other hand, some of the interesting people who have contributed a great deal in science most notably Kepler and Newton were deeply religious. This is often used by religious zealots to defend religion against knowledge or science if you prefer. I contend that Newton and Kepler unified "heaven's" with earth becuase of their intellectual curiosity and less to do with their religious affiliation.

Lastly, I am not going to argue anyone's ignorance anymore. I would make remarks if somebody steates concrete ideas based on facts and reality as opposed to their own prejudice and ignorance.

Best regards,
PaulMaurice

Mr. Paul,
You are absolutely right. No Doubt..Your writing make me go back to my reasearch about my religion Hinduism and its explanation about the teory and mystery of uniVerse.
I am still sure that no other religion or ancient civilization except try to explain about the universe scientifically. Roman's, Greek. Egytpitians, Maya's, Babolian's, Jewish, Chrisitinatiy, Muslims e.t.c explaination of the universe was according to their ancient beliefs. But Hinduism expanation that was done more than 5000 years was scientifically right which are still consider right unless some new theory about the universe emerges.
Hinduism also explains about the BING BANG theory.
I would suggest you to read Shree Swasthani and VED Byas one more time.
Here are the some experts from my research which I made a presentation in my Religion and Philosophy class.

-For instance, Western science’s description of an astronomical universe of vast magnitude that distances must be measured in terms as abstract as light-years is not new to Hinduism whose wise men, millennium ago, came up with the term “kalpa” to signify the inconceivable duration of the period elapsing between the beginning and end of a world system.
-Indian cosmologists, the first to estimate the age of the earth at more than 4 billion years. They came closest to modern ideas of atomism, quantum physics, and other current theories. India developed very early, continuing atomist theories of matter.
--While the Western civilization was still thinking of 6,000 years old universe,–
philosopher in Hindu culture was already envision ages and eons and galaxies as numerous as the sands of the Ganges (famous Holy River for Hindu in India). Each tiny piece of sand considered as one year which means age of the earth as little as 4 billion years.
---Many thousands of years before those great European pioneers, Galileo and Copernicus had to pay heavy prices for their daring theories, the Hindu scientist had declared that, “the sun never sets or rises”.
---The Hindu astronomers in ancient India went even further, giving a physical reason for how the dual star or binary motion might allow the rise and fall of human consciousness to occur. They said that the Sun (with the Earth and other planets) traveled along its set orbital path with its companion start in a supposed magnetic center or "grand center". 
----In 499, the mathematician-astronomer Aryabhata propounded a detailed model of the heliocentric solar system of gravitation, where the planets rotate on their axes causing day & night and follow elliptical orbits around the Sun causing year, and where the planets and the Moon do not have their own light but reflect the light of the Sun
--- And Many more....

I NEVER TRIED TELL THAT HINDUISM KNEW EVRYTHING 5000 YEARS AGO THAT WE KNOW TODAY. I WAS ONLY TRY TO TELL THAT OUR HINDUISM HAS TRIED TO EXPLAIN MANY ASPECTS OF UNIVERSE AND PHYCIS 5000 YEARS AGO WHICH HAS BEEN FOUND RIGHT TILL NOW.

As well in Shree Swasthani book, it clearly mentions about the BIG BANG thory and creation of this universe as well our Solar System. It says about the expansion of the Universe as well about the Black hole.It also talks about Anti matter and space travel wioth the speed of light. It also says that everthing has life, so it tries to predict the life of our universe which is billions and billiopns of yeras.

As well it also talks about the time difference between earth and other part of the universe such as earth's 1000 years= universe one day...approximately....

And these all things are retold by our new 20th and 21st century scientist.
And Mr. paulMaurice I would like to inform that This book was written more than 5000 years ago...You might be scratching your head now.....thinking how come these people from Hinduism knew all those things when Jesus Christ was not even born.....when civilization just started in Jerusalem......and jewish religion was not one its way to be the religion....

http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=45740

I dont know if ancient eastern civilization is more advanced than what we think it is. May be it was. But to discuss about that is actualy missing the point. May be for sociological reasons or since the western civilization is dominant in the culture in the world that we live in there might be people like you who need to justify the advanced civilization that "we once had." We may have great intellectual culture but hindsight is no justification.

But I am simply uninterested in such reasoning. Frankly I dont even really care which civilization is superior. Thats the job of a historian, not mine and it really doesnt matter to me.To claim that everything was known in the past and we are just discovering what our ancestors have know millions of years ago is just preposterous. The sad thing about all this is that the claim you make are not even your original thoughts or what you claim "research". I am convinced that you dont even have any knowledge of your own theology. I just decided to google some of your writings in the post and it comes out of a singular propagandist website known as Hindu wisdom. To those who want to know more about such simpleton "wisdom" about the nature of reality, I will cite the solitary source of our "great" religious scholar:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_XIX.htm

I have reasons to believe that some of eastern civilization had great intellectual independence but what is a threat to civilization in general is the irrational tendencies that has beset people like yourself which has a danger of permeating through the whole of humanity.

May the Vedic god save you from these idiots.

Best Regards,

PaulMaurice

I know my sorces are various sites from the internet....Of coarse I wont go to some library in India and start doing reseasrch there??

ONce again, I you are misunderstanding them....I dot mean that our civilization is the greatest..No body knows....may be Chinese were better or may be Africans or Maya or may be Atlantics....

I was just trying to show the relation of my religion with the explanation of the universe which we cannot find in other religion...I dont mean that our people knew everything 5000 years ago....but this is for sure that our civilization knew 100 times more about the universe and solarsystem than any other civilization at that time...

Balbahadur says:
"I know my sorces are various sites from the internet....Of coarse I wont go to some library in India and start doing reseasrch there??"

May be you should do that. Otherwise dont portray yourself as this great Vedic scholar and spread propaganda. Its important to be accurate otherwise everything could mean everything. One cannot take anything for granted and see things with the eye of skepticism; even if its the religion you were born into. That hinders progress in general.

Balbahadur says:

"but this is for sure that our civilization knew 100 times more about the universe and solarsystem than any other civilization at that time... "

You need to learn to be precise. How do you measure that anyways? The Greeks had theories about the world as well for their time. So do other civilization. Let me tell you with certainty that almost all the plagiarized facts you present is wrong. For instance in a different place you mention about yuga and the time in space is different from time in earth. That is wrong. The premise of that argument is Einstein special theory of relativity which gives rise to concepts of time dilation and reference frames. But no laws of nature states earth is a special reference frame.

I know you have the power to circumvent and fit your arguments. The well known philosopher of science known as Karl Popper's demonstrates well why your stupid websites are wrong. Science is something that you can falsify. Arguments in science has to be rigid. Certainly even if your plagiarized facts were historically right, the arguments that you present are not rigid enough to qualify as true knowledge as they dont qualify as being science for the loopholes that it creates. I am not going to correct all things you say as they have more errors than I have this recreational time. Its almost time for me to hit the beach.

Best regards,

Paul Maurice

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cold war 2 between maurice and balbahadur
..enter at your own risk ..there can be a nuclear explosion initiated by any side any time

Well,

FACT IS FACT. HISTORY IS HISTORY. I remember watching that documentary about Albert Einstein in Discovery channel where he strongly refuses that its impossible to break down atoms and create fusion heading towards nuclear weapon from his E=mc2
He thought that it would need enormous energy to create a nuclear weapon by breaking the atoms and would not be worth!!!!!!

But other scientist beleived that they can break the atms and start making nuclear power and weapons. and they succeeded. Einstein himself was shocked to learn about the destruction made from the nuclear energy and knowing shortcut way to make nuclear bomb.

In his same theory, he has clearly mentioned that it wont be impossible to travel in the speed of light. He further says, in future, if somebody travels in the speed of light, they has to burn 1 billion pund of fuel per second to move 1 pound of object which is impossible.

Do you all think in future, would somebody unlocks the short cut to have somebody travel in the speed of light..

And about Vedic Physics, Mr.PaulMaurice,
It is like getting a point.....of coarse Vedic Physics and Hinduism does not describe about Physics and universe as well as modern Science. I never told that. But it has successfull touch the parts which are found correct by moder science and which other civilization did not succeeded to describe universe as Vedic Physics and Hinduism did.
I did not mean that they knew E=mc2, they knew the law of gravitation and they were able to send human to moon.....

It makes me laugh looking at your coments about Hinduism and vedic Physics.

Mr. paulMaurice, if somebody points their finger to the moon saying, hey look today is a full moon...it look beautiful.....you need to look towards moon in space not in your friends finger and start arguing where the hell is moon...

crab nebula is really incredible
thanks

Balbahadur,

You have no ability to carry a conversation as you are all but a walking cliche. Mothers of all land should warn their children against idiots like you. The problem with remembering discovery channels for argument as opposed to studying general relativity is manifested in your simpleton remarks. Eisntein was shocked for historical reasons not scientific. I am tired of arguing your false remarks and officially crowning you as a King of Propaganda.
Also, I am tired of doing the psychoanalysis of your primitive brain.

Stop making moronic statements that you dont understand. Do you think things are as simple as making statements. Reading few pages in the internet and watching discovery channels dont make you expert in such important questions.In fact you don't even get the history right which remember doesnt require an esoteric equations. It really is a pity.

There is no such thing that could allow things with mass to reach the speed of light.
As this may be an opportunity to let some other people who at least are sensible, I would like to note a hypothetical particle which is known as tachyon which was conjectured to exceed the speed of light. This came out of what is known as bosonic string theory however there is a constraint in string theory which is known as supersymmetry which takes care of this hypothetical situation.


Stop watching star wars. Its like saying we will find the pig at the end of the universe. Present theories not just stupid speculations. In terms of intellectual capacity, you don't even compare with an ant in some respect. The only reason why I am commenting this is to avoid confusion to some serious readers who might get absolutely nonsense information from morons like yourself (a self proclaimed intellectual).

So dont congratulate yourself too much by thinking that I am lending credibility to your stupid arguments by responding to it.